Official 2013 Budget/Debt Limit/Obamacare Crisis Thread

It's just Obama-party. The Republican power brokers studied under the Delay/Rove school of 'all-out-war' politics. Every deceitful tactic is fair and any compromise is seen as capitulation.

It's just about power.

 

You might be right, but it appears the last government shutdown did little to sway the political landscape to either side. Should be interesting to see what happens this time around.

 

sounds good

thanks

 

For the time being Republicans may not face any real backlash on this. They've gerrymandered the districts that they won't be challenged from their voters.

Of course the Democrats did the correct thing by not giving in to the Republicans demands. The Republicans had the chance to fight or change the bill when it was crafted, introduced and passed. To come back later and try to hold the govt. budget hostage because they aren't happy with the outcome is wrong. It is wrong to give into it.

If someone kidnaps a US citizen and demands 10 million dollars, then eventually drops the ransom demand to 1 million dollars, it doesn't make the govt. unreasonable by not compromising and paying the demands even though they are reduced. The ones being unreasonable are the ones making the demands.

 

more terrorist labels coming from the left. yeah you're to be taking seriously.

there's a chance the GOP takes the Senate next year. Obama knows this, which is why he crossed his arms like a child and said he wouldn't negotiate. Next year he REALLY ain't getting his chit done.

 

Imagine the backlash if democrats held funding hostage to change gun laws or abortion.

 

Who ****ing negotiates a law that already has been passed AND approved by the mother ****ing supreme court?

It's like if car A is driving on the correct side of the road and car B is driving the wrong way on it's way to a head on collision with car A and car B is like "negotiate with me mother ****er!"

 

After this move by Republicans they've hurt their chances to take the senate next year.

The reason Obama didn't cave in, is because he correctly didn't negotiate with those trying to hold the budget of the govt. hostage.

I'm sorry that you're one that believes in giving in to hostage takers.

 

Obama has already delayed pieces of the "law". Why not take a common sense look at the rest of it by simply delaying other pieces of it? Obama's very hypocritical on this issue since he delayed part of it, then said he won't negotiate on the rest of it.

 

That's fine but do it outside of the continuing resolution. You do realize there are other legislative avenues to do that kind of stuff.

 

this needs to be prioritized, and the House's other efforts haven't been received by the Senate. Time to prioritize this.

 

Obama did delay that, and whether he did or not, it wouldn't have shut down the govt.

The question is why did Republicans force a govt. shutdown.

 

because this is of critical importance to our country's future. A partial government shutdown is a small price to pay to get this right.

 

Shutting down the govt. because a small minority of congressman don't like that they lost, isn't the way to prioritize anything.

Your strategy to give in to ransom demands has been noted. Thank you for making that clear.

 

The decision about what it means to our nation's future has already been decided when the law was passed, and then ruled to be constitutional.

 

I can't wait for the histrionics in the future when a Republican-controlled Congress freaks out over a Democratic minority demanding pro-gun control legislation as part of routine funding measures and then shutting down the government when they don't get what they want.

 

So then why was Obama able to delay parts of it himself? That's all the GOP was asking for.

 

You are one of the actual characters this board has. I refuse to believe you believe anything you speak. You are merely a character played by someone who also has another moniker here.

 

Gerrymandering makes districts more vulnerable, not less.