The thing is flamingdts had the tendency to dig up quotes from me and comment on them with one word or a bold sentence, just out of disliking me. I closed my case with real_egal like 10 pages ago and now he just dug this up out of nowhere and comments on it with "embarassing". If you think saying most athletes in the Olympics are doped is embarassing...sorry but this means you're a delusional child that doesn't understand how the game works. Flamingdts probably believes Bolt runs under 9.6 because he trains a lot and drinks the best milk available, and probably profits from the Jamaican weather. If you think the world records dropped from 9.8 to 9.5x or 19.19 in 200m in a few years because of better training then you're an idiot. Same goes for every other short distance running or swimming. Yes they're not proven guilty, but the doping the top athletes take is grown in labs and the IOC doesn't know of their existence. They can take all they want and there will never be positive test results because the chemicals they're on are not known. I truly want to know how many people here think majority of world class athletes are clean. In all his arguments he wants the other part to come up with articles, proves and stuff when you're not having a relevant point of your own. To other threads where we argued, you were like:"Lowry is better than Rondo...what you said no? laughable, prove it. or "show me a formula that says Rondo is better", while the whole world knows Rondo is 10x of the player Lowry will ever be. My beef with flamingdts is that I made like 15+ posts on the issue and he nitpicks out one freakin sentence and says "embarassing" instead of saying anything on the topic. Why don't you say anything about the topic and make a case for how their results are possible for a clean athlete in terms of the outlandish improvement made in the last few years. But no, you have to simply say "embarassing" about one sentence made 10+ pages ago when you have no point against it.
And for F's sake say how it is "embarassing" to say what 99% of the world thinks and what is the most plausible explanation. Don't use this word if it's not justified and especially if you have nothing else to say.
Since you say that it is ridiculous to think that the majority of high level athletes aren't dopping, where is your evidence to back this up besides you thinking that it's silly to think otherwise? All you have brought to the table is that it is possible for them to be taking things that aren't tested for. Sure. It's possible that they have had surgery to lengthen their muscles to give them an advantage. It's possible that they have bionic implants that the IOC doesn't know exist yet! Have something to go with your wild conjecture before calling people fools.
Doesn't that kind of answer the question? World class athletes are exactly that... World class athletes. They do things that we can't, so they must be doping? Is everyone that hits home runs in baseball on steroids? Cause it sounds like you're saying they're guilty by association.
World class, yes, but the improvements made in the last years show an unexplainable jump that can not answered by better training methods or lifestyle. Many former athletes and experts agree.
Ian Thorpe had an "unexplainable" improvement of 8 second at age of 15, and Phelps had a 4 seconds jump at age of 15 as well. Where were those former athletes and experts trying to "explain" or "agree"? Ye has grown 10 cm in last year. Oh, btw, Olympics is never about to change mind of a random online poster or a former coach or athlete. It's about bringing out the best from participating athletes. It is actually very embarrassing for anyone to throw out lines like "99% or vast majority of athletes are not clean", because a. you are not one of them, and you don't know anything about them; b. you don't have any proof. Keep your ranting on "not clean" based on your own imagination, while attacking the majority of athletes, just proves your own ignorance. If they are truly not clean at all, why the heck are you watching them and posting non-stop in an Olympics thread? Just because "dirty" is really your thing and your interest?
You know how many former athletes and doctors came out of the closet saying that they and their teammates took tons of stuff that no one knows about? There is of course no prove, but dismissing that is foolish. And I don't know where you comin from with the silly bionic implants, muscle surgery part, I never said anything about that. You guys obviously aren't deep into athletics, even semi-pros and people I know got stuff from their coaches/club and were ordered to take them, not knowing what it exactly was. It's an open secret.
I will leave it at that, former athletes and docs basically admit it, yet you guys are blatantly dismissing the spread of doping. You don't want to face the truth, okay.
In other news, former Apple employees came out to tell everyone how bad Steve Jobs was, while Jobs' approval rating inside Apple was 95%.
Because 1) they weren't swimming curve altering/world record smashing times at those ages (so nobody knew or cared what they were doing), and 2) they don't swim for a nation with a troubled history of organized cheating at swimming.
a. You were wrong, Thorpe's improvement made him the youngest male world champion at age of 15. b. Speaking of organized cheating, certain senior anti-doping official confessed that over 100 doping-test positive cases were covered up. No other country has ever had that many sports heroes dominating their fields for decades ended up with doping scandals. Remember Jones, Lewis, Amstrong, Joyner etc etc? Just checked Wikipedia again, at age of 15, Phelps broke the world record set by Thorpe, and at age 16, he broke his own record again in 200-fly. Speaking of "unexplainable" jump...
Yet he was still short of the world record, and didn't break it till a year later, and then only barely broke it. This isn't remotely comparable to the curve-smashing effort that China's teenager pulled off.....so, you're still wrong. SO track & field cheating by individual athletes in the 80's and 90's = usa swimming in the late 2000's? That syllogism makes no sense. Oh, and by the way, Ben Johnson was from Canada and =/ Carl Lewis. Here's one that is more plausible. China swimming, comes from nowhere in the mid-90's using East German coaches - predictably, caught redhanded in the most notorious organized cheating scandal in the history of modern swimming, faded back to oblivion in the 2000's, then all of sudden is magically awesome again, smashing records at a ridicluous pace. If you don't like the answer to the question "Why are people questioning CHina" - you shouldn't ask it, but the answer is in large part due to the documented history of recent organized cheating in the same sport.
Samfisher is accused of murdering his neighbor. Now we just need to plant his prints and blood in the crime scene. And the case is closed. LOL.
You are backtracking really fast, another "unexplainable" jump? LOL. First, you claimed the jump from Thorpe and Phelps were not title winning races, so nobody knew and cared. But as I pointed out that Thorpe's improvement made him the youngest EVER male world champion. Phelps's jump broke world record at age of 15, and he broke his own record again next year. So, plenty people knew and cared, but they never felt the urge or didn't dare to question. Second, you were talking about "organized cheating", I don't know organized cheating in track and field is exempted. You didn't clarify what you mean by organized, but to me, covering up 100+ failed drug test cases is broad and certainly qualified as "organized". Repeating your "conclusion" without facts or with self-contradict facts, doesn't make your case stronger. As I said before, on this board, China is guilty by default, while Americans are innocent EVEN proven guilty. Your hypocrisy is well-known on this board, but at least you are consistent. This time you didn't fail either. Oh, BTW, I was talking about Carl Lewis, the American hero, not Ben Johnson. Carl Lewis failed drug tests 3 times, and he proudly announced "who cares i failed drug test", of course he didn't care, because he had the "organization" to back him up.
