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Officer shows 'great restraint' not shooting charging suspect

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  1. CometsWin

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    Huge credit to this officer for not shooting this guy. Personally, I think I would have shot him at the point the officer falls down.

    Officer shows 'great restraint' not shooting charging suspect, chief says
    http://www.cnn.com/2015/04/19/us/ohio-new-richmond-officer-does-not-shoot-suspect/index.html

    (CNN)Police shootings stoke controversy as the public dissects the details of each incident and decides whether the use of force was unwarranted or if the officer acted in self-defense in the face of a truly dangerous criminal.

    This isn't one of those cases.

    On Thursday, Officer Jesse Kidder could have opened fire on a man in New Richmond, Ohio, and likely would never have heard a breath of the protest that followed the shootings of Eric Harris and Walter Scott.

    What might have been a "suicide by cop" ended in the suspect's arrest and booking, thanks to what Kidder's colleagues say was his "great restraint."

    If there were a checklist for when it's OK to shoot a suspect, Kidder could have ticked most of the boxes.

    Double homicide suspect, check.

    Possibly armed, check.

    Verbally threatening police, check.

    Refusing to remove hands from pockets, check.

    Charging at an officer, check.

    "Law enforcement officers all across the nation deal with split-second decisions that mean life or death. I wanted to be absolutely sure before I used deadly force," Kidder told CNN affiliate WLWT.

    In the incident, caught on Kidder's body camera, the officer gets out of his car, his gun trained on a suspect who had allegedly killed his fiancee and best friend before leading police on a multicounty chase through Kentucky and Ohio.

    The officer's body camera -- which Kidder's family bought for him after the Michael Brown shooting in Ferguson, Missouri -- captured the suspect rushing toward Kidder, unfazed by the officer's handgun. Dispatchers had told Kidder the suspect might have a gun under his car seat and might attempt to commit "suicide by cop," WLWT reported.

    "I jumped out, and he's running toward me. I had my firearm already drawn on him, and I tell him to put his hands up in the air, and he was screaming, 'Shoot me! Shoot me!'" Kidder said.

    Kidder backs away from the suspect, who puts one hand in his jacket pocket, then another. Still, the officer declines to pull the trigger.

    "My eyes are watching that hand right now, nothing else," Kidder said.

    Kidder yells, "Get your hands out of your pocket now!"

    The suspect continues to advance, walking swiftly, hands still obscured.

    "I was trying to open a dialogue with him. 'I don't want to shoot you; just get on the ground.' But he wasn't having it. He kept repeating, 'Shoot me!' At one point, he said, 'Shoot me, or I'll shoot you,'" the officer said.

    Kidder keeps his composure, even when the suspect charges to within a few feet, forcing Kidder to tumble backward to the ground, his upended feet coming into the body camera's view.

    As Kidder gets up, backup arrives and the suspect surrenders, turning around and lying on his face in the street, his arms extended from his body.

    Sgt. Les Smith, who has been with the New Richmond police for 33 years, told CNN that even though Kidder is green -- he's been with the department for only about a year -- he's an excellent officer.

    The former Marine, who served two tours of duty before joining the force, works as a resource officer for a New Richmond school, and his $400 body camera comes in handy when issues arise there, Smith told CNN.

    The video demonstrates that if Kidder had felt compelled to shoot the suspect, he would've been justified, Police Chief Randy Harvey told WLWT, adding that he hopes to find funding to outfit all of his officers with body cameras.

    "For him to make the judgment call that he did shows great restraint and maturity," the chief said.
     
  2. AroundTheWorld

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    Great job by the officer.
     
  3. Mr. Brightside

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    "Officer surprisingly does not kill suspect"

    Next on News at 9.

    Like something from an Onion article.
     
  4. The Real Shady

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    Next time he could end up getting killed. What happens when he over powers him and takes his weapon?

    I would have popped a few rounds into his legs as he was charging me personally.
     
  5. fchowd0311

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    Maybe we should hire cops who actually embrace the "courage" aspect of their profession.

    Maybe we should hire cops that pass a high standard for physical fitness also.
     
  6. Remii

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    If you're scared go to church and don't be a cop...

    Too many punks with badges and this officer makes a bunch of these dudes look bad. I wonder how this real police officer would have handled the situation if the guy had a screwdriver or took off running.
     
  7. The Real Shady

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    Then we wouldn't have enough. The only solution is Robocops imo.
     
  8. KingCheetah

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    Great thread -- officer showed amazing restraint.
     
  9. Carl Herrera

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    The problem is that there are fewer candidates who pass that standard and are willing to enter the law enforcement profession than there are cops needed. You can ask for that higher standard, but then you'd have to make the law enforcement job more attractive (in terms of pay, prestige, or whatever it is that makes a job attractive).

    I'm sure the Houston Rockets would prefer having better players than Joey Dorsey and Pablo Prigioni, too, but those guys were all they could afford and were willing to pay for for these roster spots under the circumstances.
     
  10. Bandwagoner

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    Saving for future reference of dumbest posts
     
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    This officer deserves all the credit in the world for restraint and it's good that the officer didn't end up getting himself hurt in the process. It's just a good story.
     
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    I'm usually all for restraint, but in this case was it really wise? He must have had a very good reason to believe the man was bluffing, because otherwise he was fully within his rights to shoot the man charging at him. And if he has family dependents, one could argue he also had a moral obligation to do so. Thank goodness he got through it safely.
     
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    It was certainly a gamble, one that could have cost the officer his life, but it paid off this time which makes it a good story.
     
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    And....he went home to his family.
     
  15. fchowd0311

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    Go ahead and paste it into your sig.

    Coming from you, I'll assume you have no refutation. Anyone can label any post 'dumb'. A refutation explaining why would be worthy of a civil debate.

    Que you responding with "Your post is too dumb for me to take the time to explain why."*
     
  16. fchowd0311

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    I'm all for raising law enforcement funding as long as the extra funding goes towards training and increased salaries that result in a higher selectivity rather than armored MRAPs.
     
  17. Bandwagoner

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    I thought it was obvious we want smarter cops not more courageous. More courageous means more dead cops. Saying our cops should be more courageous is nothing. This is yet another situation that would not have happened if cops don't have guns.


    Only psychos get added to my sig, so you should be safe unless you wig out.
     
  18. fchowd0311

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    The 'courage' I imply is valuing the sanctity of life even if that entails a slight increase of risk to their own.
     
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    Wow that's a hell of a call by the officer. He sounded like he was trained great and that gave him the confidence to not pull the trigger.

    Amazing work
     
  20. Remii

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    How many cops do you think we actually need... Police officers usually show up after the fact and write reports, there's only a small percentage of the time when they actually prevent crime from happening. Like in this situation... The only person they prevented from getting killed was the murderer.

    They could replace many of these patrol cops with cameras and have better trained patrol and response teams. A good percentage of the police force is just a revenue generating system that the government unleashes on the citizens anyway... Glorified donut eating meter maids.
     
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