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Offensive Plays with Yao (Game 3, 4/24/09)

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by durvasa, Apr 25, 2009.

  1. Pest_Ctrl

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    Great work durvasa.

    On a side note, when should there be a foul called when they front Yao like that? On most of plays, Pryzbilla or Oden were literally wrestling Yao to try to front him, bear hugging and hanging on his body with both hands. I know that if you play behind someone, you cannot put both hands on his back, so when you front someone, when should a foul be called?
     
  2. michecon

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    hmmm...still neda on substance. RA actually said different things, I've put up his quotes the last game, there are quotes out there after this game 3. They are different, check it out.

    But I don't want to turn this into your typical Tmac-this-that long arguments. So feel free to have your opinion.

    PS: If you actually watched OP's work, Yao isn't fronted all the time. But the approach to give him the ball is similar.
     
  3. ibm

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    so your point is still "yao should solve this fronting problem all by himself", eh? genius.

    so many years past, and lebron still hasn't won a ring after they changed so many players and a head coach around him. so there may be something else. - did i get the "logic" right?
     
  4. code_red

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    Glad you composed the clips and looked at it objectively. As per what Adelman said in the post game interview, Adelman mentioned there were several times they should have gotten the ball to Yao when Yao had sealed off his man but didn't. This is something the Rockets need to work on, especially AB, as AB is the PG of this team.
     
  5. michecon

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    BTW, I didn't say they were half-assing, I said, because of the approach, it almost, look like...I'd appreciate you get your facts straight before going off tangent Tmac.
     
  6. t_mac1

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    uhh, very poor analogy.

    a team WINS a ring. not players.

    a great player will face EVERY type of defense known to man and it's up to him and the team to solve it. we've had 2 coaches struggled with solving it. and many players are perplexed on how to get him the ball. so it's also up to yao to solve it no?

    perfect example: see how lebron was guarded by the spurs in his first finals apperance. they gave him TONS of space, dared him to shoot, cut off ANY lanes to penetrate and he STRUGGLED MIGHTILY. should he depend on his teammates and coaches to design game plans for him to get him going? or should he make it easier on himself and develop a jumper?

    if lebron still can't shoot, i bet you every team would use that spurs' defensive template and shut him down.

    every player will have a specific defense catered to shutting that player down. coaches and role players can do whatever to help that guy get going, but it's going to be up to the player to solve that defense and take over the game, being that player is a great player. it's been proving throughout the history of the NBA.
     
  7. ibm

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    thanks for making me laugh late at night.

    #1, so are you saying yao is a *great* player now or no?

    #2, it is up to the INDIVIDUAL player entirely to solve the defensive scheme? because it's not mcmillian and his staff who called for the change to fronting defense and had the players to practice; rather, it's the individual players like oden and pryzbilla decided on their own, right?

    #3, are you saying BECAUSE the coaches and players the rockets have had in the past weren't good enough to solve it, SO AS A RESULT now it is up to yao himself to solve it?

    enlighten me some more, pls.
     
  8. t_mac1

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    1) yao is a very good player. when he's single covered, he's as deadly as any inside player there is in the L. but he can easily be neutralized as we've seen.

    2) yes, great individual players solve the defense. you think phil jackson made up a different game plan for kobe to solve his 5-24 shooting in game 3 v. utah? you think spoelstra conjured up some scheme to get wade going in game 2 after a struggle in game 1? and in my previous example, lebron noticed how the spurs played him and only knew one way to solve it. no coach is going to design any offensive scheme unless lebron can learn to shoot worth a lick.

    PS - you're talking about a "defensive" scheme. i'm talking from the perspective of an offensive player solving the opponents' defense. it's easier to understand what i say if we're on the same page. and in this case, it's yao v. the fronting defense.

    3) are you saying yao can't? are you saying if he had a legitimately reasonably decent midrange jumper or able to operate at the high post (making plays) that it won't stop the fronting? this is the SIMPLEST way to solve the fronting. i truly think had he know how to play from the high post when adelman forced him to play at the high post last yr, yao would have solved the fronting problem WITH EASE.
     

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