Oeilpere did post today.....

Personally, I think they'd get a better deal from the Knicks. They can probably get Sprewell.

Sprewell for Lewis? I'm not sure if there's one GM in the league that would trade Spree for that. (unless he choked his coach again ) Of course, Layden did take on Shandon Anderson so anything's possible...

 

TheCat, I was thinking maybe a draft pick can be thrown in. A player on each side to balance it, whatever. Plus, you're missing the most important part, that they'll have a real SF.



I think McDyess is a better player than Lewis, lots better in fact. But he's not what we need right now. We have a PF. I think the best way to keep improving your team is to choose whichever spot you think is the weakest, and improve it. Right now, injuries, salary, and performance included, I'd rather have Cato over Rice. Since I know Seattle would never take Rice, I'd love to see him, Mooch and Torres forming an incredible bench next season.


If the Rockets said no to a Lewis for Mo T and our pick in the upcoming draft, I'd be extremely dissapointed. I love Mo T, but we need a rashard more than we need Mo T right now. Griffin has shown us that he's our PF.


If Mo T returns right after the All Star Break, and plays injury free all season, I don't think Seattle would object to the trade.

 

Though it is inconceivable that the Nuggets would even consider dealing away one of the top forwards in the league away for a pile of Rocket crap, it is intriguing to speculate on such a scenario.

If indeed the Nuggets are open to the idea of trading McDyess (with the thinking that he is out for the season), CD should trade anything short of EG, Francis, and Mobley to get the deal done. I don't care if McDyess is out for the remainder of the year, you get the deal done, this is the missing peice.

Would the Nuggets ever consider a Thomas+Taylor+Norris+lottery pick = McDyess swap with the idea of trading great quality for mass quantity, and also with the hope that minus Thomas, the Rockets' draft pick would be fairly high? Though highly unlikely, I think the recent injury developments with McDyess make any deal more possible as few teams would be willing to give up enough in trade AND be patient until next season.

If the opportunity presented itself, the Rockets would be foolish to not jump all over it. Thomas and Taylor are borderline starters. One too short, the other the greatest waste of talent in league history. Nonetheless, they are quality players who could seem intriguing to any team in trade. Norris is Norris and would be addition by subtraction. I can't see even a top-5 lottery pick being beneficial to the Rockets. [If you haven't paid attention at all to this point, atleast take note of the following point I am about to make.] The Rockets need to trade their lottery pick for an established player and it would be more beneficial for them to trade it now in a package deal rather than to trade it in the summer. An Elton Brand type situation comes once in a lifetime. If McDyess is truly on the table, you have to make that deal. They can't take on any more lottery picks, frankly because I think Les feels he doesn't have any more time. He is losing this city fast. He needs to generate interest. He needs to win ballgames now.

Closing thought on McDyess. I remember back in 1998, whilst pursuing McDyess, Rockets scouts generated a very interesting study. They found that out of all of the league's starting power forwards, opposing power forwards had the lowest field goal percentage against the 6'9 physical marvel. A Griffin-McDyess frontcourt is championship caliber.

Thomas+Taylor+Norris+LottoPick for McDyess? If they'de take it, you have to do it.

 

2002-2003 LINE UP

McDyess Center
Thomas Power Forward
Griffin SM/PWR Forward/Center
Mobley Shooting Guard
Francis Point/ Shooting guard

Mooch,Taylor,Williams and Cato Bunch of talented player, has great moves and can explode, But i would still trade them!

 

This new signature saves me time.

 

I agree-Steve Smith would be another broke down, worn out shooting specialist. He would not add anything of value to this team. His knees are in very poor condition.....

 

I know Nuggets fans don't like these speculations, but it just seems like the Nuggets organization is giving out vibes, like they're inching to blow that team up for whatever reason. Money, the desire to rebuild, whatever. I mean this is the team that almost had a mutiny last year and drove Issel insane and eventually out of the league. All of these McDyess and Van Exel trade rumors can't be untrue rumors. I can't remember, but didn't Denver originally trade McDyess to Phoenix for draft picks? I mean Van Exel is raising a fuss, LaFrentz may be ready to bolt, and McDyess is injured. I can't see the Nuggets keeping this team together. They might go the way of the Clippers, rebuild and stock up on young talent via trades, free agency and the draft. Either way I would be shocked if Denver wasn't listening to offers about McDyess.

 

lol. anything short of eg, francis and mobley. you want mcdyess for basically nothing.

you see, its one thing when you guys post the funny cato/thomas for mcdyess trades just for kicks. but its another to flat out break it down - analyse the trade, and then seriously propose such laughable sillyness.

NO. no cato. no mcdyess. period.

wow...mind blowing reveltation there. the rockets should defintely consider such deals? really? wow, i coulda swore theyd say no. you are a friggin nba genious

i will conclude my reply with the overly used, but never old...

L...O...L...

 

i agree. but you guys kinda forget the fact that we wont GIVE mcdyess to any team, especially a midwest team.

 

Where do you get this information? The guy is playing almost 30 mpg & has played in all 37 games this year. He's shooting 49% from the field & 57% from 3pt land. He's been selected to participate in the 3pt shooting contest at the All Star weekend this year. He played in 81 games last year, 82 the year before that, the year before that he was injured & only played in 36 games, but the 5 years before that, he played in 73, 72, 80, 80, & 78 games each year & never averaged under 30 mpg, with the exception of his rookie year. Now, if he's got bad knees, then I want him on this team so he can show everyone else how to gut it out.

Sorry about this rant, but I get tired of reading posts that have no merit or proof to back them up. Here's the link to his career stats, if you're interested.

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/steve_smith/career_statistics.html

 

You lose some credibility on this statement, because of the Willis acquistion. You swore up & down that we didn't have anything to offer & yet we got him for a second round pick. True, you got a replacement center in Scott Williams, but what's he done to help improve your team? He's smaller than Willis & has a lower ppg, rpg, mpg, while bpg are about even. The only positive is that he's 6 years younger than Willis. Oh yeah, he costs $4.65 million, while Willis only costs $3 million. The Nuggets were robbed.

I made the mistake of questioning Oeilpere's info once before, but I'll never make that mistake again. If he says there's a chance, then there's a chance.

 

OP- We cango on and on about this, but some of what you are saying i can't back. like your posting as do a lot of other people, but I think you are overvaluing Taylor.

Taylor wuld melt like butter under Riley. Maybe Riley is the type of coach to really push him, but players should push themselves, not coaches. Granted he has a nice 15ft jumper, but what ele does he bring? He doesn't rebound, he doesn't defend, thats apparent by him constantly in foul troublelast yr and playing 29 mins per, and he doesn't get to the foul line, which is apparent by his 3ft attempts per game. Why would a coach like Riley take him over Brian Grant? Grant maybe limited, but he playes very hard, rebounds and defends something that is a staple of Riley's tenure with Miami. Why do you think Rice got shipped out.

Speaking of Spurs and Taylor, its possible that they could play him with Duncan, but who couldn't play wit Duncan. Is Talor a upgrade over David? Probably offensively, but on the other end and his overral impact on the game is different.

I can sit here and honesly say that Taylor does have a enormous amount of skill, but since he has entered the league it hasn't translated to the court. He hasn't had the season thatyouwould say, this is his breakout season andconsidering he was a free agent after last yr, I expected him toprove all his naysayers wrong , but he didn't. What was shown last yr is probably what will be shon for his entire career like Walt Williams, Billy Owens, and other loaded talented players who just don' put in the effort night in and night out to be a uper echelon player. He has the tools, but the difference in what makes a Chris Webber, Tim Duncan,and Karl Malone from the Mo Taylors ofth world is yearly improvement and dedication neither of which Talor has. What we see in Lewis is a guy that has gotten better every yr and thats wt you look for. Not guys that stay stagnant.

 

hehe, no sorry YOU lost credibility. what the hell has willis done? nothing and we got a first for him! im likin that deal. ive seen many threads bashing willis on this bbs.

you gave the 2nd rounder to milwaukee. we got a first from them. so we didnt give him away and no matter what, hes not playing that great. would you trade willis now for a first rounder? yes you would.

williams isnt very good, but had we had willis, what then? 2 more wins? a worse pick. no thanks. ill take the pick.

 

NugzFan: Great argument, dumbass. Instead of proving why the Nuggets would never trade McDyess, you resort to ad hominem attacks. Real convincing.

 

Willis is a hell of a lot better than Williams. When he was getting starter minutes he was getting double doubles more often than not. Since Cato has improved his attitude & with the emergence of Griffin, Willis hasn't been playing much. Besides, the point of my post was that we got him for nothing & uh..... oh yeah, we're also a mid-west team.

As for the bashers, take a look at the posters that keep doing it. They're the same ones that bash anyone that's not a superstar & they change their opinions more often than the weather changes here in Houston. So, again I ask that you not assume that everyone on the board feels that way.

 

willis is alot better. thats not the point. the point is would you (or us in this case) rather have say 28 wins OR like 22 wins and a first. of course you take the 2nd. the 6 extra wins is in no way worth a worse pick and giving up another extra first.

you know most of what i say here is all for fun.

i used to hate you all so much but i now i have learned that you guys are above-average in coolness.

 

thacabbage; i think you are too cool for me to insult you back. i just cant do it.

friends? hmmmmmmmm?

 

It might just be me, but it seems our friends in Denver here are getting a little nervous at the thought of losing McDyess. Used to be they would confidently dismiss such speculation as nonsense, and they were right. But they seem nervous now... And that makes me happy.

I trust OP's sources. If he says it's possible, then I believe it's possible.

I agree with thecabbage. If such a deal was to present itself, we couldn't turn it down. And frankly, unless Denver is actually, truly considering tanking this season, they'd be fools not to offer him up for someone who can play now. Damaged goods are much easier to trade...

KT isn't too shabby, guys. Moochie will come in handy if NVE bolts. And you'd like MoT when he's healthy...