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Odom, Stoudemire, etc.

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Clutch, May 17, 2002.

  1. pippendagimp

    pippendagimp Member

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    HA! Dak gots gaffled by a lowly "member"!! :p :D

    Much props BigM!!
     
  2. DVauthrin

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    KT is NOT untouchable

    The guy put up good numbers playing one on one with his foot speed when we had no better options. He is a good bench player, nothing more.

    If Mo is healthy, KT is prime trade bait for SF or better yet a defensive minded center.
     
  3. DearRock

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    BSB, how many team had 3 picks during the Lewis draft? It is one thing for you to have one pick and choose not to take a chance on a high schooler who is not from your hometown and it is a totally different thing when you have three picks and choose to pass on a high schooler from your town and then proceed to mess up royally with two of those picks, while the said high schooler goes on to be an all-star, practically.

    I keep saying that this is not a team which should be waiting for a rookie to come in and make a big impact. Our team is further along than that.

    Major deals should be limited to those non productive contracts like Cato and MoT. Forget about Mobes please.

    All the Odoms in the world are not going to help this team if there is no serious commitment to defense; and if the defense shows up, we do not need Odom. If I was the Clippers, there would be very few scenarios the Rockets would be able to get me excited about.
     
  4. Achebe

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    This is hilarious. Clutch clarified his comments and still everyone's bugging about how, oh my god, the Rockets are going to trade Cuttino.

    Noone's untouchable. The Rockets won 28 games last year, of course noone's untouchable. Does that mean the Rockets are dying to trade their core players? Of course not. They're open to conjecture... b/c being creative on the chalk board reminds them that they screwed up this past year. Being creative on the chalk board doesn't mean that all of a sudden Les, Carroll and Rudy have gone insane.

    If those guys weren't open to reconsidering their plan A, plan B, plan C, they should be fired. In the end, if they stick to plan A, it'll be after realizing that it was in fact the best hand to play...

    And I'm pretty sure that Will was being facetious.
     
  5. Manny Ramirez

    Manny Ramirez The Music Man

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    *sniff* An Achebe post! You tell them...word to your mother!

    Now get your ass back to the hangout and start posting there, please.:)
     
  6. Achebe

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    It's not safe there Manny. Rarely in this forum can I get into a perpetual f5 situation. It's also pretty hard to insult someone in this forum (or at least people don't act like panzies in this forum, lol, 'wah my opinion, oh you disagree w/ me, how horrible, wah').
     
  7. saleem

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    I like Odom,but I would not give up Mobley despite his weaknesses especially with his unwillingness to share the ball despite having the ability to pass.
    Cat is a fighter which is a underestimated quality in a player.
    Odom is a greater talent than Cat,but is more inconsistant.
    If we could get a good center along with Odom,and not have to give up either Mobley,Francis,Griffin or KT,I would be all for it.
    But that is not possible.
     
  8. Swami

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    Wow Clutch, you sure know how to generate a big response to a new thread.

    While no one is truely untouchable, I'm with Bigboym..... (Cuttino is an incredible bargain on a team overloaded with bad contracts). I'd further add that Steve is potentially up for contract negotiations this summer which makes it hard to think that we might pick this time to trade Cuttino.

    I've already made it abundantly clear that I side with Kayman (Odom may have skills, but he is still a toothpick looser). I'll be truely disgusted if we trade for Odom (that is just begging for trouble). Give me Dunleavy, Butler, Joe Johnson, Mike Miller, you name it, but I'm switching to the Dallas Mavericks if we are dumb enough to trade for Odom.
     
  9. CriscoKidd

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    Why wait?

    Hey that's a nice backup plan as a matta o fact. Hey everyone, if the rocks draft someone you don't like, lets hop aboard the Mavs bandwagon, plenty of room!
     
  10. saleem

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    Wanting a point forward type like Odom or Dunleavy can relieve Francis from the point guard role,but that amounts to admitting that Francis is not good enough to be a true point guard.

    Don't get me wrong I like Francis very much and want him to stay with the Rockets, and I feel that he can become a better point guard with experience and from guidance from a veteran 1 although he will not become a player like KT.
     
  11. saleem

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    Sorry for the typo,I meant Jason Kidd instead of KT.
     
  12. Relativist

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    saleem, it wouldn't be unprecedented, and it wouldn't have to be an insult either. Sixers did it with Iverson, but I'm sure Iverson doesn't feel any less important to the Sixers as a result. The same can apply to Stevie. This team will still be built around him (for better or for worse). It's just a matter of trying to put together a team and system that exploits his abilities best.
     
  13. D. ILLEST 1

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    Look "people" I'm not saying that Griffin sucks, but at the same time I'm not ready to give him the key to the city either. I think you all should let him prove himself before I'm forced to hear the collective thud of you all jumping on his junk. Relax people my opinion is just that an opinion. I don't think that there is one person that posts on this board that has any influence on what goes on with the teams personel. It's just opinions, and come on really, you "people" really don't want to start getting all confrontational over computer screens that is really pointless. I don't think there is enough of you collectively to see me anyway.
     
  14. crash5179

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    So you think Dennis Johnson was not a true point guard because so much of the Celtics offense ran thru Bird? You think Terry Porter was not a true point guard because Clyde avg'd a high number of assists? Maybe you think Bibby is not a true point guard because so much of the Kings offense runs thru Webber or Vlade?
     
  15. Manny Ramirez

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    I'm a "people" or at least I think I am.

    Been to your anger mgmt classes lately, D?
     
  16. Baqui99

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    Lamar Odom is coming to town? What the hell is wrong with ya'll. KT for Odom? #15 for Odom. You're crazy. Let's drug Sterling. maybe he'll send Odom and Kandi our way.
     
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    I'm with Crisco, go away Swami...
     
  18. Sane

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    How could Odom and Francis both average almost 4TO's when they SPLIT the duties?


    That's really smart of you. REALLY.


    It's like saying Pierce shoots 30 shots a night for the Cs, and Francis shoots 20 for us. So if Pierce came here, they'd shoot 50 between them? No, because there are only so many shots a team can shoot. You may up the tempo, but not enough to make this a valid statement.


    Also, the turnover RATIO would go down too, because it's a lot less pressure. Also, Odom's FG% will UNDOUBTEDLY go up, because he will be the 3rd option. He will have had 6 months of extra healing time too.


    If we get Lewis, we're putting a ceiling on our team. Because Lewis can only do so much. But with Odom, the ceiling is much higher, because he can do so much more.


    Tell me, if Odom worked on one aspect of his game, and Lewis on one aspect of his game, who would be the SUPERIOR player?

    If Odom works on one thing. ONE thing. Simply, shot selection. How can Rashard be as good?


    I don't want Rashard, his ego, or his lack of anything but a jump shot. Rudy has said he wants someone who cand oa lot of things.


    This one's for D Illest:

    You have Griffin and KT. Salaries are almost the same, very low. This season passed, you saw what Kenny could do, and you saw what Griff could do. Now, assume they're not on the same team. You have Kenny Thomas, and someone is offering Edie Griffin for him, you say NO?
     
  19. pasox2

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    Gee. Good news about Odom! Cat is clearly the most popular rocket on this board. You guys will come up with anything to protect him. "Oh, don't get Shaq for Cuttino! The contracts aren't even close! Besides, Shaq is waay overrated. Who wants to give up on the best backcourt in the league just to get a guy on the down end of his career with chronic foot problems. Everyone knows guards win championships, and "chemistry" is more important than business. Cat lovers vote - No Way!"

    I still see Cuttino stays - he has no real trade value! The teams that want him have nothing to give and the teams we want something from don't need him. So Cheer Up, Cat Love! No Diggitty!

    All that said - I really do know - Cat is a very good player and a good value - you don't have to tell me. Again. Again. Again. What would be nice to hear is your overall vision for team success. What do you do with that backcourt to get a trophy? That's the ultimate goal, after all.
     
  20. Sane

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    If the Mavs would do this, I would:

    Cat
    #5


    for

    Finley
    Future first
     

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