Pippen was willin to suck it up so the team could win and let Mj handle it. I was referring to how the Bulls had the 2 best players in the league which an equivalency today would be Tmac and Kobe if one of them could put their ego aside for the good of the team. More than anything I take offense to LO being put on the same level as Pippen and am disgusted by those placing him above Pippen. In the Yao and Tmac relationship, Yao will probably be more of the Pippen.
Odom on wacky tabaccy + defender on wacky tabaccy = Pippen Odom on wacky tabaccy + Sober defender = joe nobody
Yes, but you are clearly the only person who thinks that Pippen was the second best player in the league at a time when it also included noteworthies such as Hakeem Olajuwon, David Robinson, Charles Barkley, Karl Malone, John Stockton, Clyde Drexler, Kevin Johnson, and some others that I am probably missing. If you want to make the argument that they were the best two wing players in the league, and then compare them to Kobe and TMac, maybe.
Yeah I've read it stated in an article before but I can't quite recall and yes for the sake of this argument I will say 2 best wingmen, but I'd still consider them both top 5. I do disagree with Stockton and Kj being on that list, though a case could be made for Barkley and the Dream I suppose. I've never understood the fascination with Robinson and I believe it had already been declared in the Rockets forum that Pippen was better than Drexler but I could be wrong.
Drexler>Pippen I wouldn't put Pippen in the Top 5 for the 90s, I would put Barkley, Hakeem, Jordan, Robinson, O'Neal and even some more players before him... maybe a top 10 or 15 list
O'neal no, no titles till this decade and he got schooled by Dream. Robinson is a no also. Barkley and Dream I put as maybes. Pippen > Drexler.
Gaines could also be as good Dumars. Take potential with a grain of salt, be careful throwing around things with great implications. LO = Pippen = Never
MJ >>> Kobe Pip of mid 90s = Odom . . . . . . +3pt shooting+7 time All-D 1st team selection+6 rings. I agree Pippen a top 5 for 2~3 seasons during mid 90s. if talking about career: MJ > Dream > Malone > Stockson = Barkley = Pippen = Drexler > Robinson >>>>> Johnson (what the hell is he doing here? ) Dream > Malone because of the 2 rings Malone > the others because longer career = #2 scoring leader Pippen has the worst career stats but he've got "SIX" rings while Malone+Stockson+Barkley= 0. also 7 time all-defensive 1st team selection Robinson probably not in the same class of Barkley and his ring doesn't help because he didn't got it until Duncan replace him as the man on their team. ok back to the topic, mmm... Pippen way better than Odom. hey talk about "potential" i've heard peple on this board saying Kenny Thomas the next Sir Charles; Griffin our franchise player; Langhi blah blah blah, ..... and you can also argue Kobe/T-Mac/Carter/AI/James all has the "potential" be better than MJ. not true.
Revisionist history. Pippen willing to suck it up for the team. The team was already Michael's. Two best players in the league. Umm no. I can't believe people think Pippen was better or equal to Drexler. Drexler did everything Pippen did, while scoring more points. Pippen would have a hard time being a top 10 player today in his prime.
Pippen is rich man's AK-47. Ability to run the offense. Shooting a higher percentage. That's definitely put him in top 10 and in his peak top 5 because of intangibles.
There is no way that Odom is on Pippen's level right now. And he will never get there imo, especially defensively.
Huh? Pippen competed on an era that produced a lot of the 50 greatest players and did very well. I think you have it the other way around. Take the latest US olympic team and have them play from 85-95, with exception to TD, nobody would have made the all star team. Pippen was more of a playmaker which why the term "point forward" was invented. His numbers did not backup his overall contribution to the team so we cannot say that Odom will be better because he will be able to produce better numbers. If we are talking "team impact", Pippen by a landslide.
Garnett Duncan Shaq Kobe McGrady Kidd Dirk Webber I would definitely take these eight players over Pippen and I think they're a couple of more players right now that are in the argument. Yes, Pippen played in a league with a lot of great player, but today's NBA is full of great players also.
I'd take Pippen in his prime over webber. Pippen just seemed a bit better performer under pressure in his prime. Webber has a tendency to disappear during pressure time and also his offensive game isn't as diverse as Pip's. Webber has the tools though but just relys on that jumper so much. If Webber had the right attitude I'd take him over Pip but not by much though. I might take Pip over Dirk because what you lose on the offensive side you gain on the defensive. I'm defensive minded player but man it's hard to argue with the smooth shooting of Dirk.
Pippen peforming well under pressure?? Is this the same Pippen who would punk out against the Pistons. Is it the Pippen who didn't want to go in the game because he didn't get the final shot. Or is it the Pippen who fell down in crucial moments against a 20 year old Kobe. Or is it the Pippen who allowed his Blazers to blow a 15 point fourth quarter lead in Game 7 of the 00 Finals. Pippen has proven in his years without MJ that he couldn't be the leader on a team. So that's not an advantage for him over any player.
i would have to take pippen in his prime over webber, dirk, kidd or even t-mac (so far). i hate pippen as much as the next rocket fan, but i just dont see lamar odom being the complete player that pippen was.
I said a BIT BETTER than WEBBER. Ain't saying much but that's comparing two people that choke under pressure and taking the lesser of two evils.
