We need a three point shooter to keep the defense honest. With a slashing team like we have it would be very beneficial to have a rashard lewis type who can spot up as opposed to a shawn marion type who goes inside.
I don't know about getting Odom. I really feel in my gut that a direction in what we want as a draft pick will influence the decision that needs to be made regarding any potential off season acquisition. It seems that Griffin is a 4, or 5 and will probably not be a 3. ...as far as I know Odom is a 3 and I think we need to upgrade most pressingly at either 3, or 5 in the off season, ...so maybe if we get a 5 in the draft, then Odom may semm like the logical choice ....if you believe in his merits and abilities. ...I just don't appreciate the off season problems (baggage) he carries.
so everyone is saying "Lewis is better because Odom can't shoot 3s" why not let him handle the ball and dish out to Mobley, Francis, Williams, Rice, Griffin, Yao Ming, woops
Mobley and Francis are guys who are much more effective with the ball in their hands. Francis isn't much of a spot-up shooter. Mobley has improved upon that though this year.
Lamar Odom = Scottie Pippen Rashard Lewis = Robert Horry 1 might be a better SF, but the other is better for the Rudy system...
People are quick to bring up our 'system', but the 'system' has been totaly and completely reworked several times in the past few years. One thing that Odom brings that nobody else here has is a solid postup game. Add to that his solid passing, and you could end up with an inside-out game very much like Charles Barkley brought on the offensive end. I'd imagine that, if given a talent like Odom, Rudy would rework the system to fit him.
Otto, We said the same thing when Pippen came along. We also said the same thing when we traded for Glen Rice. Tmo is not a 3 point shooter, yet he's often left in position to heave up wide open 3's. Our team last year was only really successful with a Walt Williams (when he was hot) and Matt Bullard (when he was hot). I just don't see Rudy finally re-working an offense for an SF, so I'd rather have Rashard simply because he's more like the type of SF that flourished in Rudy's past offenses...
The system doesn't concern me so much as the style of the players. Lewis is everything Horry should have been, and Odom is everything Pippen was and could have been. Both fit our team and both are versatile. Odom gives us a 3rd ball handler which is a nice luxury. Lewis gives us somebody who can play all of the frontcourt positions and is tall which will give people fits and allow us to matchup with teams like the Mavs and Lakers. To have 3 6-10 or taller athletic guys up front (Lewis, Griffin, Cato) improves our defense. You're talking about 3 guys will long arms who can deflect balls and close down the passing lanes. That helps when you're trying to guard guys like Shaq. It's virtually impossible to guard Shaq one-on-one, but if you have 3 guys with longs arms you can prevent entry passes to Shaq. He can't hurt you if he doesn't have the ball.
Ottomaton - That's one thing no one has mention is that Odom is good at posting up even though he's 220lbs. But his frame is a long 6-10 and his long arms and quickness help him shot over players in the post. That is definitely one thing we need is a solid post up player that can often back it in. And with Odom he has the ability to pass it out just like you mentioned like Barkley. I just love the fact that he's got such good vision and that he likes to pass it to open players off double teams. That would be so great to have Odom in the low post and EG spotting up outside. Though I don't watch much sonic games I don't see RL as a low post back it in type but more of a outside spot up shooter with good 3pt%. I think both are good slashers. Either of them would be a dream to have with the rockets. Here's their current stats: R. Lewis 6'-10", 215lbs, 22yrs and 7months old 1.7 asts 1.5 stls 0.6 blks 7.2 rebs 17.0 pts 6.6-13.9, 46%FG L. Odom 6'-10", 221lbs, 22yrs and 4months old 5.9 asts 0.8 stls 1.2 blks 6.1 rebs 13.1 pts 5.2-12.4, 42%FG Becuase Odom has been injured more than half of the season I thought I'd show his last years stats too 5.2 asts 1.0 stls 1.6 blks 7.8 rebs 17.2 pts 6.3-13.8, 46%FG
There seems to be no question that Odom can be productive offensively with the ball in his hands, but what about without? Bottom line, even though I would want Odom to handle the ball considerably, we do need starters who can be very productive feeding off of Steve and Cat. I could probably live with Odom not being a great spot-up 3-pt. shooter, but can he hit open mid-range shots a la Mo T? I think Steve and Cuttino can be productive with Odom handling the ball, but the question for me is what about vice-versa? Because this is still Steve and Cat's team, and most plays are still going to begin with the ball in their hands, like it or not.
One more thing; I've asked this before but what is the nature of Lamar's injury? Is this something that could conceivably hamper his game long-term? I'll take Odom's stats from last year in a heartbeat, but how about some reassurance that his stats could return to that level should the Rockets get lucky and be able to acquire him?
I would be estatic to get either player. Okay, you Real GMs, how do we work either deal after the draft lottery, but before the draft, now that we can no longer send the Willis, Walt types? For Odom, if we had a lotto pick in the 5-9 range, I would send the pick, plus KT, Collier and Morris. The only other workable deal that does not involve taking players in return is Moochie and the pick, but I do not see Sterling taking his contract. As for Lewis, the Real GMers always throw out Mo T. But if Rashard gets the max, isn't he a base year player, meaning is cap value is only around $5 million (1/2 of his $10 million first year salary), so Mo T for Lewis would not work straight up?
Trades involving known picks rarely go down before the draft. I'd say about 95% of the time, the player is drafted, and then traded. For example, the Rockets and Bucks knew they were going to deal 9 for 15+next year's #1 before they picked the players, but picked the players, and then consumated the deal.
If you sign-and-trade a player, then the BYC doesn't apply. I think after 48 hours of signing a player to a max contract, the BYC takes effect. Something like that. So technically you could sign-and-trade Rashard for Mo-T and whomever. And NIKEstrad is right about signing and trading picks. Which is why I say, if we really want Odom, and cheap-ass Donald Sterling agrees, then our two draft picks this year should do the trick. I would worry about other teams swooping in and nabbing the guy, but Sterling won't pay high-priced salaries...and he already has to deal with maxing Elton Brand.
I seem to actualy remember quite a bit of Glen Rice posting up in his limited action this year. The pimp, btw, was more of a slasher, not a post up guy, MJ was the post up guy for them. Given that pimp was a so-so post up player playing on a team with two outstanding postup guys in Barkley and Hakeem, I never expected him to post up. Also, think back to when Clyde first came here. He got quite a bit of post up work. I think TMO may not be a great perimiter player, but for the TMO's of the world, you don't alter the offense to fit them, but rather force them to fit the offense. For the Steve Francis and Lamar Odoms of the world, you do alter your offense. In fact, with the exception of when he aquired Pippen, Rudy has altered his offense for every star type player he's gotten. I have to assume that he'd do the same for Odom.
But don't picks have zero value as it pertains to the cap? So woundn't we have to send around $3 million in salaries to the Clippers to get Odom?
JBC-Yes we would, but since Odom makes such a paltry salary by NBA standards, it would not be hard to get within the 115%. Moochie straight up would be enough. If one were to think in terms of expanding the deal- Norris+KT+picks = Odom+Dooling The Clips would receive a young, high productivity, low cost combo forward, a PG that could either start, allowing them to let McInnis go, or come off the bench if they parlay the pick with their other pick(s) into Jason Williams, and of course a lotto pick. We would receive Odom, our young, point forward, stud SF, and potentially solid PG in Dooling, that many compare to a poor man's Steve Francis.
My read on the Larry Coon salary cap FAQ is that you apply the base year salary even on the sign and trade. http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm 69. Can a free agent be signed and immediately traded? Under no circumstances can a team sign and then trade another team's free agent. But there is a special rule that allows teams to re-sign their own free agents for trading purposes, called the sign-and-trade rule. Under the sign-and-trade rule, the player is re-signed and immediately traded to another team. This is done by adding a clause to the contract which stipulates that the contract is invalid if the player's rights are not traded to the specific team within 48 hours. A sign-and-trade deal can be made even with players that have been renounced. However, a sign-and-trade deal cannot be made when the player was signed using the Mid-Level, $1 Million or Disabled Player exception. Sign-and-trade deals are only allowed if the contract is for three years or longer. One complication with sign-and-trade deals is that the signed player can immediately become a BYC player (see question number 66 for more information on BYC), so it's the player's BYC value that must be used when determining whether the trade is allowed. One complication with sign-and-trade deals is that the signed player can immediately become a BYC player (see question number 66 for more information on BYC), so it's the player's BYC value that must be used when determining whether the trade is allowed.
