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odd man out when tmac comes back?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Air Langhi, Nov 7, 2009.

  1. RMGEEGEE

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    If one player can only have FG% below the team average, he is defined as a poor shooter.
     
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    Easy odd man out is Dorsey. Make minimum and NEVER plays so it doesn't matter if he is a big (if you call 6'9" big)

     
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    There is no odd man out. T-Mac will not be playing 35+ minutes ever. Adelman will be smart to conserve him for the playoffs. This team is too deep for anyone to be playing heavy minutes.
     
  5. UTAllTheWay

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    I don't think it's a matter of whether or not Tracy wants to come off the bench.

    Regardless of whether or not he comes off the bench, he needs to play within the offense. We have a bunch of young guys on this team that we are evaluating for the future, and I would MUCH rather see what they can do than watch a guy like Tracy dominate the ball.

    If he can come in and help this team while playing within the offense, then I'm all for playing him. But if he turns into selfish Tracy and tries to do too much, send him out.
     
  6. maw7079

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    Why wouldn't Battier be the odd man out? What does he actually do? His hustle and effort are admirable but Kobe, Roy, so on place 40 on him every time they go out damn near... they only average b/w 24 and 40... the other guys can get some of that back.
     
  7. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    This is a contract year for TMac, he is going to want his touches to prove to the league that he is back at his old level of play.

    The problem is that old level of play is as a volume shooter that likes to play in a half court game where he gets to make all the decisions with the ball.

    And....as I have said many times before....

    That is not conducive to winning.

    The reason the Rockets are winning now is that the opponent has no idea whom to guard, beause there are threats at all 5 positions...and they share the ball.....

    If Tracy comes in and becomes an UBER ROLE player then great....but raise your hand if you honestly believe a guy with his ego, history, track record, will come in and just be one of the fellas?

    Sorry, I think the organization has moved on, and while they will play him some, it will be just to showcase him for a trade.

    DD
     
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    2 positions x 48 minutes each = 96 minutes

    33 + 24 + 18 = 75

    96 - 75 = 21 minutes for Chase.

    So it's more like...

    Except that it's ridiculous to think that Battier would only get 18 minutes when he's been a starter ever since coming to Houston and his main purpose is to defend the opposing team's best wing player.
     
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    For a short period that has happened. All I am saying he's not the cancer a few guys make him look like. As opposed to Iverson he has never complained about coming off the bench.
     
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    Until you show some valuable proof or insight info I won't believe it. They may trade him but I dun see them wasting valuable minutes which can go to the rookies showcasing him.
     
  11. DaDakota

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    Organizations do that ALL THE TIME...

    In order to trade him to a team that might want to take a look at him they would want to know he is healthy.

    The only way to show that is to have him play.

    Seriously, I know you like the guy and want him to stay, but to say they wouldn't waste valuable minutes when they would HAVE to in order to get someone else is silly.

    DD
     
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    Do you seriously think a sample of one or two months are enough to get him traded at the deadline? Morey would want to get a borderline allstar back. That's not as easy as you think until you are complacent with minor players like an older Von.
     
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    Morey has stated that Camby's stats on defense are deceptive and that he isn't the defender he has the reputation for. I don't understand who people are thinking we trade Tmac for. If you can show me a trade that adds talent not just for the sake of position (center), then I'll concede we should trade Tmac but I'm not seeing it.

    Also, I find these people thinking Tmac will mess up chemistry to be the same type of people that complained the chemistry would be messed up when Tmac was added to the team during the 22 game winning streak. As I recall, he played up tempo just fine even when hurt. We were pretty damn good then and that was with a hurting Battier and Rafer.
     
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    To add to that we were nearly averaging 30 assists a game with Tmac during the 22 game winning streak, so I don't see what people are talking about with Tmac lording over the ball to our detriment.
     
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    I would have to say that Shane, Ariza and Brooks should lose some minutes so that Chase can keep playing his usual amount.
     
  16. DaDakota

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    If the Rockets let the trade deadline expire, Tracy has all the power and the Rockets have basically lost control of their biggest asset.

    I doubt Tracy re-signs here in Houston, he hears the boos, he knows what people think about him.

    And he thinks it is not his fault that if he played in BOSTON he would have won a ring.

    So, I think he goes somewhere to try to do that.

    If only there were not 11 years of data to over ride that one small segment during the streak where Rafer ran the offense......

    DD
     
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    Lol at Rafer. The man did bring up the ball but he rarely did initiate the offense on the offensive end.

    Fine with your first statement. He might walk away. I will let him walk away if players like overpaid players like Brad Miller, John Salmons those names come up.
    We have our core of young players. We don't need to trade for older ones. I would not want to make a deal AT ANY COST.
     
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    Lol you assume he has more haters than fans just because there are a few ones on CF?
    There are also fans outside who do not spend their time on BBS.
     
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    I think they'll go small sometimes, Shane/Ariza/Mcgrady will play some 4 and Lowry/Ariza/Brooks will all loose some minutes.

    AB ~30min
    Ariza ~28min
    Mcgrady ~35min
    Shane ~30min
    Scola ~30min
    Landry ~24min
    Hayes ~28min
    Lowry ~20min
    Budinger ~15min
    Andersen ~DNP CD

    You have to think about total minutes. Ariza, Brooks, and Battier are playing a lot of minutes right now, they'll just get some extra rest. Shane is just as effective (and I'm being generous to DA here) a big man as Andersen so he'll eat up those minutes. On days when Mcgrady or Ariza aren't playing well you'll see more of Budinger. When Mcgrady has it going the rook might get a DNP, seems pretty simple.
     
  20. Naija Texan

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    I'd say they bring T-Mac off the bench at first and if he is back at 100% he will eventually supplant Battier or Ariza from the starting line up, whichever is the least defensively sound of the two.
     

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