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Occupy Wallstreet

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Sweet Lou 4 2, Oct 2, 2011.

  1. tallanvor

    tallanvor Member

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    Ignoring all the lies in the article ; isn't that blatantly obvious? Why would someone waste their time researching it? State's local governments mostly use a Sales Tax. The federal government does not. Also the 53% meme didn't get dismantled, it is a statistical fact. you can't 'dismantle' it.
     
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  2. mc mark

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    You have nothing left Jorge, or Texx or whoever you are. You have no argument, no facts, nothing. Nothing but denigration and misdirection. No wonder you people are scared. The future is coming, you better get on board and get your **** straight or you will be left behind.
     
  3. tallanvor

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    isn't that hypocritical since your post contains no arguments? Also it's hypocritical to claim I use 'denigration and misdirection' when your first sentence reads as follows:

    'You have nothing left Jorge, or Texx or whoever you are.' (that's misdirection)

    Truth is, I have probably posted more arguments, links to news articles, and videos than anyone in this thread.
     
  4. FranchiseBlade

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    none of your videos or news articles were about substance. It was all aimed at attacking the people who participate. You haven't talked one iota about the issues at hand.
     
  5. Deckard

    Deckard Blade Runner
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    I beg to disagree. What you have done is force many of us to go out and buy rubber boots, so we can wade through your bull****.
     
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  6. mc mark

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    Sam was right.

    moving on
     
  7. mc mark

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    The OWS message is working

    Lobbying Firm Memo To Advise Wall Street Clients On Occupy Movement

    WASHINGTON -- A lobbying firm has prepared a memo offering advice to its Wall Street clients to help them manage any political fallout from Occupy Wall Street, warning that Republicans may turn on big banks, at least in public, altering the political ground for years to come. It is one of the first clear signs that the movement may be starting to trouble the moneyed elite.

    The memo, first reported by MSNBC's Chris Hayes, host of the show "Up with Chris Hayes," was written by the firm Clark, Lytle, Geduldig, Cranford and addressed to one of its Wall Street clients. It runs four pages long and is set to be sent on Thanksgiving.

    The first two graphs of the memo, provided by MSNBC to The Huffington Post, express angst over the idea that the movement could mean "more than just short-term discomfort for Wall Street firms" and has "the potential to have very long-lasting political, policy and financial impacts on the companies in the center of the bullseye."

    The paragraphs read in full:

    "Leading Democratic party strategists have begun to openly discuss the benefits of embracing the growing and increasingly organized Occupy Wall Street (OWS) movement to prevent Republican gains in Congress and the White House next year. We have seen this process of adopting extreme positions and movements to increase base voter turnout, including in the 2005-2006 immigration debate. This would mean more than just short-term discomfort for Wall Street firms. If vilifying the leading companies of this sector is allowed to become an unchallenged centerpiece of a coordinated Democratic campaign, it has the potential to have very long-lasting political, policy and financial impacts on the companies in the center of the bullseye.

    It shouldn't be surprising that the Democratic party or even President Obama's re-election team would campaign against Wall Street in this cycle. However the bigger concern should be that Republicans will no longer defend Wall Street companies -- and might start running against them too."
     
  8. mc mark

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    More signs the message is working.

    Go Rep. Deutch!

    Rep. Deutch Introduces OCCUPIED Constitutional Amendment To Ban Corporate Money In Politics

    In one of the greatest signs yet that the 99 Percenters are having an impact, Rep. Ted Deutch (D-FL), a member of the House Judiciary Committee, today introduced an amendment that would ban corporate money in politics and end corporate personhood once and for all.

    Deutch’s amendment, called the Outlawing Corporate Cash Undermining the Public Interest in our Elections and Democracy (OCCUPIED) Amendment, would overturn the Citizens United decision, re-establishing the right of Congress and the states to regulate campaign finance laws, and to effectively outlaw the ability of for-profit corporations to contribute to campaign spending.

    why Mr Deutch introduced the bill --

    “No matter how long protesters camp out across America, big banks will continue to pour money into shadow groups promoting candidates more likely to slash Medicaid for poor children than help families facing foreclosure,” said Deutch in a statement provided to ThinkProgress. “No matter how strongly Ohio families fight for basic fairness for workers, the Koch Brothers will continue to pour millions into campaigns aimed at protecting the wealthiest 1%. No matter how fed up seniors in South Florida are with an agenda that puts oil subsidies ahead of Social Security and Medicare, corporations will continue to fund massive publicity campaigns and malicious attack ads against the public interest. Americans of all stripes agree that for far too long, corporations have occupied Washington and drowned out the voices of the people. I introduced the OCCUPIED Amendment because the days of corporate control of our democracy. It is time to return the nation’s capital and our democracy to the people.”
     
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  9. mc mark

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    We're #1!

    a tidbit from crooksandliars--

    "After a huge surge in arrests on Tuesday, the number of people arrested at rallies related to the Occupy Wall Street movement passed 4,000, reaching 4,400 as of Thursday night. By comparison, the Iranian government only arrested 4,000 total protesters in the massive uprising in that country in 2009."
     
  10. mc mark

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    If by some crazy chance one of your family members makes some kind of comment over Thanksgiving like "I just don't know what Occupy Wall Street is about", show them this video. It's only 5 minutes long so it won't take up much time from the turkey. Oh and those that are eating turkey, consider yourself lucky. 1 in 7 households in America won't be able to put a meal on the table this year.

    <iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/ab6Ji-fSlTk" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
     
  11. StupidMoniker

    StupidMoniker I lost a bet

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    You don't honestly believe that Congress can overturn the first amendment (as interpreted by the Supreme Court) do you? Could Ron Paul tack on a rider overturning Roe v. Wade while they are at it?
     
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  13. mc mark

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    Do I have to say it again? A corporation has no first amendment rights afforded to individuals despite what the Robert's Court says.

    But anyway, sure! You work to overturn the laws you want to and I'll do the same.
     
  14. StupidMoniker

    StupidMoniker I lost a bet

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    It is not a question of whether you believe a corporation has first amendment rights, it is a question of the procedure for overturning Supreme Court precedent. There are basically two ways to do it: amend the constitution or have the court overturn itself. What you can't do is just pass a law that says the court was wrong and nullify the decision. Whether you think the Roberts court got it right or not is irrelevant to the point, which is procedural and not substantive.
     
  15. Carl Herrera

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    Bad comparison. Some iranian protesters got killed.
     
  16. Carl Herrera

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    I think Deutch is proposing a constitutional amendment. Very hard to pass so it's mostly symbolic right now.
     
  17. mc mark

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    Maybe so

    I'm sure some are disappointed it hasn't come to that yet.
     
  18. mc mark

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    How come the police never find an excuse to bear mace the Westboro Baptist protesters?
     

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