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Occupy Wallstreet

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Sweet Lou 4 2, Oct 2, 2011.

  1. mc mark

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    You make me giggle!

    ACORN!!!
     
  2. Dubious

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    What the holy f**k does that even mean?

    Are you goosestepping around the basement? Did you sharpie on a little mustache?

    Please tell us your vision for fascism in America, without a Holocaust, of course.


    Because the Tea Party had to be done for the 5PM Senior Special at Golden Corral and then Matlock starts at 6.
     
  3. mc mark

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    Sure I'd be happy to give up union and Soros' money in exchange for all the corporation donations in America.
     
  4. Classic

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    Common ground. Nice.
     
  5. mc mark

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    I think I would come out ahead on that one! ;)
     
  6. tallanvor

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    campaign finance reform would not take the money out of politics. No piece of legislation would.

    If you want corporate interests out of government than you should do what most adults do and turn to conservatism/libertarianism. In other words if you want less lobbyists then give companies no reason to lobby.
     
  7. Dubious

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    If you think campaign finance is a hard issue, quit trying?

    NO

    If you want to lose to the corporate interests, diminish your regulatory power over them.
     
  8. tallanvor

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    is that suppose to be an argument?

    what does 'lose' mean? lose what? they can't force me to do **** unless the government sanctions it.
     
  9. cml750

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    You must spread some reputation around before giving it to tallanvor again!!!!!
     
  10. Dubious

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    and still...

    Somebody who is anti-OWS, defend the Citizens United opinion as good public policy for the United States that does not need to be changed.

    That's it, that's what this is about, the issue. Argue the freaking merits.
     
  11. thadeus

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    Conservatives are not truly for anything except for everything staying the same.
     
  12. tallanvor

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    Conservatives/Libertarians are 'truly' for deregulation of the markets. That's what 'free-market' means. That would not be the same by any stretch of the imagination since so many markets are regulated in this country. But by all means keep lying.

    Why do people pretend like you need to reinvent the wheel to get the American economy going again?
     
  13. Dubious

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    It's what you said. It can't be done. But it can, through public opinion, in the courts, with law and ultimately by Constitutional amendment.



    They can design your tax laws, environmental regulations, decide your energy policy, focus your buying habits in food, pharmaceuticals, and your vaginal douche; they can promote what weapons you military will buy and what they will cost, ship your jobs overseas, socialize their private losses, get favored loan and development status, promote friendly candidates and profitable issues without public record of contributions, they can smear unfriendly candidates and costly issues without any public record, they can create shell games of corporation to shield income from legal taxation, they can pay executives with stock option plans with lower tax rates then wage earning employees, they can take out life insurance plans on employees with business expense premiums to receive non-taxable death benefits....

    all of which means they control your government for their benefit because it is profitable for them, and what it does to you is disenfranchises you from you country and it's government. You are irrelevant except as an income stream. You are being managed.

    The way you manage instead of being managed is to work together with other humans; usually in pursuit of the common good because that's a real motivator. You can be a pirate and work together to plunder but pirates usually end up turning on each other. The good people don't.
     
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  14. mc mark

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    what language are you speaking?
     
  15. mc mark

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    Because the 30 year old republican wheel is flat.
     
  16. tallanvor

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    Not unless the government sanctions it, which is what I just said.

    What didn't you understand?
     
  17. cml750

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    If you want true campaign finance reform that stops corporations from contributing to anything political then you would have to make all political donations be on an individual basis. Set an individual cap of say $100 or so. Do not let corporations, unions, non-profit groups, or any group of people pull money together for political influence. Only individuals could make political contributions with a cap. that would level the playing field. What we had before the SCOTUS decision was unions, Soros funded groups, etc... shaping the political horizon.
     
  18. mc mark

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    citizens united just sanctioned it champ
     
  19. tallanvor

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    you don't know what the word 'sanction' means. champ. all taxation,regulation,and energy policy would need to be sanctioned by the government obviously and not citizens united.
     
  20. mc mark

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    How do reason with this kind of logic?

    nighty night kids! big day tomorrow!
     

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