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Occupy Wallstreet

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Sweet Lou 4 2, Oct 2, 2011.

  1. Mr. Clutch

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    Never go full r****d.
     
  2. Classic

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    lol, devils advocate in my response atleast...

    Obviously there is an issue but I think the CEO to worker pay ratio is even far more telling than that graph you posted. I just didn't think it said what you were wanting it to say as much as other data posted.
     
  3. SamFisher

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    Except that workers are now about 400% more productive now than back then. Oops.

    Why don't you tell us what the optimal loss should be based on your internal calculus? C

    ause otherwise it lolks pretty dumb, considering that among the biggest periods of globalization was the 1990's (GATT, WTO, NAFTA, collapse of communism, etc) where real wages actually rose during this time.
     
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    So, you ignore the point by point response and throw out a strawman? That's weak sauce even for you.

    Actually, I'm smack dab in the middle of my professional career, make substantially more than the median FAMILY income, my wife will add to that when she gets out of nursing school, and I'm about to have an MBA. I have the balls, work ethic, and acumen to make the kind of money that I would hope would be taxed at a much higher rate than someone making 30k. In fact, I suspect my family will make it to the top tax brackets within the next few years.

    So, what you are hearing is the pundits when you hear "whiners." This garbage could have come out of Glenn Beck's mouth verbatim. Polly wanna cracker?

    Bull f***ing s***. They won't leave the best country in the world until they turn it into a second string country, as they are well on their way to do. Here's a hint, once they do, you and yours will be out of luck too.

    BTW, a 3% hike in marginal tax rates is hardly "pounding" on anyone.

    Yes, as incomes in America go down, the direct result of policies that benefit the wealthy at the expense of the middle and lower classes, more and more profits will come from overseas. However, no company in the world is going to pull out of America, the second largest economy in the world, even if tax rates go up dramatically. Look at tax rates throughout Europe, funny how all those companies have a presence there despite much more confiscatory tax policy.

    It isn't about vilifying anyone. It is about people paying their share and shouldering their share of the burden. All we have done over the last 30 years is give more and more preferential treatment to the wealthy, to the detriment of our country. Reagan started the giveaway, began to inflate the deficit and dramatically increased the debt. Bush accelerated that trend and, as we have seen, caused deficits and debt to absolutely explode.

    It is time for the entire country to share the sacrifice, but you and the millionaires you shill for aren't willing to do that. You instead choose to make threats about leaving the country and deliberately avoid creating jobs in order to try and get out a president you don't like.

    The rich have been telling the 99%ers to go f*** themselves for three decades. It's about time they got a taste of their own medicine.
     
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    So what you're saying is the rent's too damn high?
     
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    I've seen this posted in a few different places. One of the questions I've wondered, but haven't ever really found is unemployment by sector. One of the charts has a headline saying the unemployment issues are widespread as opposed to just in construction, but the chart doesn't really have much to do with that. Anyone know where to see data like that?

    Articles like this (http://www.cnbc.com/id/44888058) definitely make you wonder:

    "Unemployment in manufacturing is at 8.4 percent, below the overall rate of 9.1 percent. According to the Labor Department's latest Job Openings and Labor Turnover survey, there were 240,000 open jobs in manufacturing in August up 38.7 percent from a year ago."

    "Owens said his company, which counts manufacturing behemoths Caterpillar [CAT 80.54 -1.16 (-1.42%) ] and Motorola Mobility [MMI 38.14 0.04 (+0.1%) ] among its clients, has at any given time about 200 open positions.

    "We are pro-actively working to fill them. It can take 90 to a hundred days, probably, to fill them," he told Reuters. "We are creating jobs. We just don't necessarily have the right people to fill them."

    On average, companies usually take seven weeks to fill job openings."
     
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    I "down twinkles" the lockout.

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    We also ought to be occupying TransUnion, Experion, and Equifax... or burning them to the ground. Talk about your Kafkaesque, Byzantine bureaucracies, their sole function is to justify the skimming of the middle class and poor. What kind of business never lets you talk to real people and can't adequately explain how they score stuff? And the scores are like personnel rules... they can use anything to come up with any result they want... and some of them go against the best interest of the consumer. You get dinged for not enough credit or not the right kind of credit? Really? Bullpoopie. To top it off, they have more privacy info on you than the government could dream about and only a sliver of the accountability.

    Hey Credit Agencies... your system sucks, you're a monopoly that only serves big business, and you contribute nothing worthwhile to the greater good. F you.
     
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  14. basso

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    yes! we are all individuals!

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    Actually I think FICO scores actually helped a lot as it made banks and institutions easily determine people's credit worthiness for virtually instant lines of credit at one's fingertips.

    Its arduous, but one can argue against negatives on their record and it tracks all of that. When dealing with that much data, its a quantitative formula but allows large scale mass information regarding one's ability to meet their liabilities.
     
  16. basso

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    Breitbart strikes again, shows the "Anarchists, Socialists, Unions, Democrats" roots of #OWS.

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    [Editors' Note - Crowdsourcing: At the end of this post, you will find links to download the #OccupyWallStreet email archive described earlier today by Andrew Breitbart. Send your thoughts, observations, and findings to feedback@breitbart.com, or post them in the comment section.]

    On August 10, 2011, the hacker group “Anonymous” announced that it would join the Occupy Wall Street demonstrations. That’s what sparked my interest in monitoring #OccupyWallStreet.

    I reached out to a colleague and asked if he would be interested in studying the protest with me. At first, it seemed disorganized, and we believed it would only be a few hundred protestors.

    As we engaged in monitoring its growth, we recruited other people to help us begin the collection of data available via social media. We began mapping out key players, and monitored Anonymous’s efforts to organize protests in the San Francisco Bay area public transportation system (#opBART) in order to detect patterns and key influencers.

    Then, at the end of August, we were alerted by a fellow researcher that information about USDoR (U.S. Day of Rage, to which Occupy Wall Street is connected) had been posted on Shamuk and Al-Jahad, two Al-Qaeda recruitment sites. We began to take the “Occupy” protest more seriously, and dedicated more time to research and monitoring.

    Days later, Anonymous announced that it would be releasing its new DDOS (Distributed Denial of Service) tool. Because of the Al-Qaeda posting, we contacted the New York Field Office of the FBI so they could investigate the potential threat. From that point on, we decided we needed to include the Human Element of Intelligence (HUMINT), and to infiltrate the protestors to map their ties to Anonymous, and to the postings on Shamuk and Al-Jahad.
    A few of us had attended several of the pre-protest meet-ups and training classes. The Civil Disobedience training was taught by Elliot “Smokey” Madison, a New York-based anarchist who is a member of the People’s Law Collective, a voluntary group that advises protesters on legal issues arising from their actions. The Media training was taught by Vlad Teichberg, a New York based anarchist who is a member of the Glass Bead Collective, an artistic activist group.

    After attending these meetings and socializing with those present, several of our team members were added to all the mailing lists of the “Occupy” group. That is how we created the email archive that we are sharing with you (see below). In addition to the involvement of socialists, anarchists, and other radicals, the emails also reveal heavy union involvement from the beginning of the “Occupy” movement, as well as discussion about the role of the Democratic Party, and how the movement should respond to President Barack Obama.
    The emails also reveal that the Occupation attempted to provoke the New York Police Department prior to some of the clashes that occurred with activists.
    Additionally, the emails reveal the many failed efforts of the hacker collective Anonymous. If those efforts had succeeded, they may have damaged the global economy.
     
  17. Dubious

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    socialists, anarchists, and radicals, oh my!

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  18. Rashmon

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    They are so subversive that they just put anyone who joins on their mailing lists?

    Won't their secret agenda be compromised by Breitbart?

    poor basso
     
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