See I told you Obamaniacs that Obama's message of change wasn't a message of change since its already been foretold in the Book of Revelations. So how do all you Obama supporters feel now that your great change candidate is really nothing more than the antichrist that we've known about for centuries? That's for you Pgabs!
I just mean that it is not made a topic of conversation like it should be. People are rightly going apeshiit over the price of gas, and yet some of the same people are happily kum-bah-yah-ing this guy into the seat from which even MORE of our money will be taken from us. And I was just curious as to peoples thoughts on that one issue. The kinds of people who are going on in the vein of the OP's original post, well, they are little better than the 'Bush=Hitler' crowd. They are all sub-cranial mental midgets. But that does not imply that electing a cookie-cutter wealth-redistribution socialist is the right move either. Unfortunately that sort of disqualifies both candidates.. sigh
We're clearly going to disagree, but lets clarify that most of Obama's tax increases are simply a repeal/expiration of GWB's tax cuts. The U.S. has gone into a deficit spending orgy and that's simply got to stop, the other half of the equation is the wealthy who've had 7 years of windfall tax breaks should help pay a bigger share. Why? Because they can, and we're approaching total financial meltdown based on entitlements. If wages had kept up these past few years I'd agree to across the board tax increases. Average debt loads, energy prices, and upside down mortgages are pushing the middle class standard of living down the drain. Call it a civic duty. Demand fiscal accountability and oversight, but it's time to pay the piper.
(with apologies to Douglas Adams) It's like the piccolo. A fellow who plays a cello hears the same comment on an almost daily basis: 'I bet you wish you played the piccolo.' People would say this to him when they would see him carrying around his large heavy cello case. The thing which amazed him was, every single person who said it always thought they were the first ones to think of it. In other words, I hope you didn't spend too much time thinking that one up. Oh by the way, 1962 called. It said you might want to take a look at China in 2008. Where does this notion that communism is not a real threat come from? It's like Baudelaire said: 'The Devil's greatest accomplishment was convincing the world he does not exist.'
maybe most people realize that the gov't can't continue to spend like a drunken sailor without taking in more. maybe most people realize our schools and infrastructure suck, and its pretty nice to have a FEMA to bail you out when there is a natural disaster. maybe most people realize that the trickling isn't trickling. maybe most people realize that a continuation of bush tax policy is not so great.
Don't go out into the sun, Trader_J. You might see your shadow and pass out. And don't breathe. All that air pollution, a very large percentage of which is coming from your lungs, might kill you. That would ruin my day. Stay safe. Don't be afraid. The Democratic Party is going to rescue you in November. You can thank us in advance, if you want. Impeach Bush/Cheney.
I'd be all for voting for anyone (and I mean anyone) who cuts the federal budget by 10% or more. (Yeah, I have low standards here - anyone with a clue will understand why) However, since neither of our fantastically inept parties are even remotely interested in not shellaking the country with more debt for bull**** programs, I'll vote the guy who 1) is honest about it and 2) will spend that money here at home as opposed to some middle eastern country full of backwards dip****s that hate our guts.
Classic wealth-redistribution class-warfare rhetoric. Tax cuts ALWAYS stimulate and strengthen the economy. You know what happens when 'windfall profits' are taxed? Remember what happened when jimmy carter did it? Remember gas shortages and long lines at the pump? Yes, we disagree. Yes, the deficit spending has to stop. This needs to be done by making the government smaller, not bigger. I don't see either one of these candidates being any hope to shrink the federal government though. But while McCain may be more like Bush41, Obama is definitely Jimmy Carter 2.0, and that is a disaster we do not need.
This is only true if you make more than $250,000 per year, in which case it is simply paying your fair share after the massive giveaway you got under GWB.
Are you one of the 1 to 2 percent of Americans that make more than $250,000 a year? If you are, your taxes will rise to the rate they were when Bill Clinton was President, which was one of the most prosperous eras in modern history. If you make less than that, which would place you in a group consisting of 98% or 99% of the country, then you can relax. Your rates will stay the same. What is your beef again?? Impeach Bush/Cheney.
WRONG. If you own a single share of stock, then your taxes are going up under Obama's failed scheme. That's half of America, buddy.
That simply isn't true. It's like saying that government spending always stimulates and strengthens the economy. Or lowering interest rates. Or going to war. There's a limit to every economic stimulus tool.
That'll get the deficit down to $100 Billion, and it might give us 10 more years of financial solvency as a country.
Let's say I am the owner of a small business, employing maybe 10 people. And maybe my business does well enough that I earn 250,000. Now, the government comes along, and decides that it is going to help itself to a bigger slice of my unfair piece of the pie. Plus, for good measure, it decides to raise the minimum wage. Ok, fine. But wait, my costs have just gone up. Fuel prices are way up, costs of goods and services are up. So all of a sudden now, I can't keep all ten of my employees. Which one has to go? Someone will have to go. Sorry fellas, but one of you guys is getting laid off. Wealth-redistribution and class-warfare does not work. It is just the same old hammer used by leftists to try to get elected, by promising to take some of the 'rich guy's' pie and giving it to the 'poor guys'. Problem is, the only ones who get hurt in this scheme are the 'poor guys'. Unfortunately, there is always a significant percentage of the population who continue to believe it when they are promised something for nothing.
Name a time when tax cuts did not stimulate and strengthen the economy. (and I am not talking about war or interest rates, just tax cuts. Don't lump things together)
where did those people get the education to work in your business, who paid for the roads to get to work, who paid for the roads to distribute your products, among other things but i know, i know, all this money goes to welfare and medicaid
I'm for reducing the size of the Federal Government and it's entitlements. I'm just not smart enough to figure out how to do so and not leave the baby boomers or the following generation holding the bag. Most of the "pork barrel spending" needs to go, but that's a drop in the bucket. The economy can be stimulated by a massive (and overdue) investment in infrastructure and a serious push to get off of oil. If the U.S. had enough "easy oil" that is, viable reserves at less than $100 a barrel, to make a dent in the flood of money going offshore... I'd say go for it, drill,drill,drill. Paying off some of this debt while the dollar is weak is a necessity if we're going to have the flexibility to fix the onslaught of future expenses. That means raising taxes now. When we stop importing so much oil, the dollar will turn around, new industries will have been built, and the future better provided for. The military, for example, has been ground to a pulp when it comes to equipment. You can't have tanks, trucks, airlift, CAS, you name it running at full tilt in a desert war zone and not have the wheels fall off at some point. There are hundreds of billions of dollars to be spent here even if we leave Iraq today. I only mention equipment here but the human toll is just as severe. Hell, Chairman of the JCoS Mullen can't pick up the phone and get a single friggin brigade into Afghanistan. Fight for lower taxes when the dollar isn't in the tank, and when we're not in an extended war with out of control spending.
