Obama's Speech in Response to the Wright Controversy

Oh, come on, mc mark!!! you know Fox News is just a mouthpiece for Barack Obama!!! Have you no shame???

 

These statement are merely opposition to our government's policies. It is no where near the venoms spew by Wright. I think anyone with reading comprehension can understand that.

 

Let's see. You wildly overstated Wright's leadership position. And then threw out this weak piece of garage for justification:

No I do not. You may. Either way, this is a Republican talking point and not a central plank in Obama's campaign.

 

Did not respond to this earlier due to its sheer lack of relevancy.

The weak ass point you were trying to make is:

Wright is a racist.

Any words out of his mouth, racist or not, are thus racist's rhetoric.

Weak. Weak. Weak.

Painting Wright as a racist and only a racist is yet another Republican tallking point. Obama addressed this in his speech, which you would know if you read and understood it. Obama sees Wright for all of he has accomplished, recognizing both the good and the bad.

Lastly a racist's rhetoric is also cogent to this conversation if the rhetoric is actually racist.

 

I don't think anyone on this board seriously believes that Obama shares such hatred. The quality in question is not racism nature or love for the country, but rather simple JUDGEMENT. Why it's big for Obama? Because judgment is something his campaign uses to offset inexperience.

No doubt about it, this was a very inspirational speech about race, and it's forward-looking. It would be huge success if that was delivered on campaign trail, or nomination acceptance. However, it was delivered in reaction to the negative momentum caused by his ex-pastor's words. In the name of addressing the nation regarding his tie or disagreement with his ex-pastor, he made a great speech about race. He somehow made public opinion just to be an outrage of racial remarks, but rather hatred towards the country and the people.

Obama called this a distraction, and all of a sudden he wanted to talk about issues. It's very arrogant, in my opinion. He cannot decide what voters are concerned. He wanted to talk about something else, that's perfectly fine, but he doesn't have the power to decide what others should talk about. Remember he and his supporters, even on this board telling everyone that no one is interested to hear about policies in campaign trail, and they can all be found on his website, while he was challenged by Hillary for his rhetoric of change? Now, when he's seriously challenged in his judgment, instead of answering it head-on, he gave a great speech of race, and demanded to talk about issues?

I think that's an important issue. Correct me if I am wrong, the qualities some of his supporters highly praise him on this board are, judgment (right on day one etc), new brand politician (getting rid of old Washington politics for he's a newcomer), leadership STYLE (FB has been pounding on that in almost every thread), and his ability to inspire people and unite people.

Let's look at those qualities closely.

1. Ability to inspire people - yes. Ability to unite people even cross aisle? - Even the democrats are deeply divided now, of course, that would be all Clinton's fault, according to some.

2. Leadership style - based on my limited knowledge of English languge, you need to command extensive leadership experience to demonstrate your strong leadership. With a consistent leadership, you can start to form a style out of it. What has Obama led? A business? A department in a business? A group in a department? Any organization? Where is this leadership style coming from, spreading words?

3. New brand politician - new is not necessary good, besides whether he's just another politician playing the game smartly, many posters have already talked about much. We can agree on disagree.

4. Judgment - that's what the so-called Wright Controversy is about. Did he answer that question in that great speech? Again, we can agree on disagree.

But, that's never about whether he's a racist. I don't think the majority question that. That's just like the great inspirational speech itself - changing topic.

 

Well said. That's why I think the Wright problem won't go away any time. And this is well deserved.

Unfortunately, due to the death of re-votes, it is pretty hard for Clinton to win now. If Obama doesn't change his way, we might see McCain in the office.

 

If you listen tot he entirety of Wright's sermons, one might reach a similar conclusion.

Still, that hateful MLK, Jr. said this:

O, yes, I say it plain
America never was America to me

If he spoke in the video age, this is the loop we would see continuously. We'd miss the context:

With the exception of the AIDS comment, the same applies to Wright. That one was just stupid.

 

Is this really about judgment? So does judgment about going to war count? How about judgment on the economy? What about other scandals (Whitewater, Keating Five, etc.)? Can we talk about those, if this is really about judgment, or would we be changing the subject?

This ain't about judgment. This is about race, and turning Rev. Wright into the next Willie Horton. Be honest.

 

Obama said Clinton has bad judgment, as you are echoing. In other words, his better judgment makes him a better president material. Now, people are questioning Obama's judgment, but you and Obama are saying it's race. Of course, Clintons injected race into this election for saying Jesse Jackson won SC.

 

I forgot where I read it, but someone said it's really about Lois Lane and Jimmy Olson. That's who Lex always targets when he can't bring down Superman,

(A little over the top, but the point is that the Wright thing is the only type of attacks they have.)

 

As has been posted in other threads, Superman's poll numbers are starting to decline a bit.

Perhaps Clinton and McCain are holding onto a little political kryptonite.

 

I still don't find this "America never was America to me" as "God Dxxn American". Also, what he said was true back in his days. But Wright said it when it is no longer true (as far as laws are concerned) for several decades. Again I don't see the parallel.

 

Go back through the thread and listen to the longer piece that the God damn America was lifted from and I think you will.

 

I listened to the whole thing (the six min version) but I still don't think "God Dxxn America" is justified. The stuff he said just before that is pure conspiracy theory.

I don't know you guys can stoop this low to compare MLK to Wright.

 

If Obama does not win the democratic nomination, the biggest reason will be Wright. Obama should be smarter than this, how could he not know the problem Wright wil cause him?

 

He knew about this when his campaign started. He actually had more than one year to plan for the fallout of this.

But I guess he chose to not think too much about it and wished he can sneak past it. It didn't help that earlier revelation (Apr 2007 in NYT) didn't cause a stir. That gave him the false comfort to put it to the back of his mind.

 

I don't know how you guys can stoop so low as to intentionally miss the points throughout this thread and proudly show your ignorance of a major piece of American culture.

All this concern about the bad things Wright said and how that influences Obama reminds in some ways of the original opponents of jazz and rock and roll.

 

John Adams: God Damn America

As I alternate between reruns of Jeremiah Wrights "God Damn America" tirade and first-runs of the HBO's John Adams series, I see a surprising connection. Like many of the Revolutionary era, Adams believed that if we weren't careful, God would damn us or at least withdraw his support.

At some points during the war, Adams feared that the cause would fail because he saw too much greed and commercialism in the colonies. "I have seen all my life such selfishness and littleness even in New England, that I sometimes tremble to think that, although we are engaged in the best cause that ever employed the human heart, yet the prospect of success is doubtful not for want of power or wisdom but of virtue." During the revolution, Adams -- evoking the manner of his Puritan ancestors -- told his friend Benjamin Rush that the colonials would only have a chance of winning, "if we fear God and repent our sins." He even speculated that God might intend for America to be defeated so that its "vicious and luxurious and effeminate appetites, passion and habits" would be cleansed, laying the foundation for a more-deserved victory in the future.

Adams wasn't alone in seeing the events on the ground as a reflection -- positive and negative -- of God's assessment. One minister ascribed the Continental Army's difficulties to the presence of slavery. Noting the brutal winter, the poor crops, the loss of cattle, and the seemingly imminent collapse of the army, a Quaker farmer speculated that it was part of a divinely-ordained set of plagues. When on July 20, 1775 the Continental Congress called for a day of prayer, it was accompanied by a call for fasting, self-reflection and a unified effort to "unfeignedly confess and deplore our many sins."

I don't mean this as a defense of Jeremiah Wright (or John Adams). It's just a reminder that there's a long tradition among preachers and politicians of asserting that if God is to bless us when we're good, He may damn us when we're bad.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/huffpost/20080321/cm_huffpost/092659;_ylt=Av39OTq8BzGANYs8v1xXOcKs0NUE

 

One thing about the Wright issue is that we still haven't had an intelligent discussion on why September 11th happened. Wright brings up a legitimate topic about our foreign policy creating hatred around the world. we still haven't had a discussion on that as a country because anytime you try to discussion this topic rationally, you're called an america hating traitor.

 

It happened because radical Muslims are freaks who want Sharia law to rule the world.

Like Farrakhan, who Obama's church loves and admires, Bin Laden hates the Jewish and blames them for the world's problems.

Wanting to care about why Bin fart face Laden doesn't like Amercia is the dumbest thing ever.

Praise be to my American ass.