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Obama's Speech in Response to the Wright Controversy

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by gifford1967, Mar 18, 2008.

  1. rimrocker

    rimrocker Member

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    No. He's saying the solution to the problems faced by blacks and whites are not mutually exclusive... they don't depend on a group... they require we all work towards the answers.
     
  2. ymc

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    Hmm.. You can't disassociate yourself from mom under most circumstances but you can disassociate from your pastor. Oprah also went to Wright's church but she quit after going there for two years.
     
  3. MadMax

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    amazing speech.
     
  4. Achilleus

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    http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/

    http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/03/the-speech.html
     
  5. No Worries

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    Maybe John McCain is the best choice for you for President.

    BTW, I give an order of magnitude more weight to opinions of actual African Americans wrt the African American situation in this country than your opinion. Sorry.
     
  6. ymc

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    How does this work? I think most of the laws needed are in place. You can't force white people to open up their network because some parts of it is networked by blood relationships. The only way to break into that network is to be good enough. Obviously Obama is pretty good. That's why he is just a short distance from highest office in the world.
     
  7. Major

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    I, as most of you know, am not an Obama supporter. I must give credit where it is due. He did a phenominal job on this speech, and it seems to me that it is an open and honest discussion.[/QUOTE]

    I think this is an important part of his appeal. He has a way of speaking honestly and openly that you can't really imagine coming from Hillary or Bush or most other politicians. And he seems to really get to the heart of issues much better than others - in a way that doesn't sound nearly as politicial as most politicians. I heard it was going to be entirely written by him too - no speechwriters or anything. I don't know if that was the case in the end, but that was the plan. That might be part of the reason it sounds less political and is more honest.

    We'll see what, if any, impact this has.
     
  8. justtxyank

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    That's not necessarily a good thing. Who's better equipped to testify of their situation...an outside viewer or a tainted insider? Interesting question. Of course the easy answer is the one living it, but they themselves may be too biased to give an accurate account. Yet the outside viewer may also be too biased to give an accurate account.
     
  9. Rashmon

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    Goosebumps...amazing speech.

    One for the history books.
     
  10. El_Conquistador

    El_Conquistador King of the D&D, The Legend, #1 Ranking

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    Obama is more than desperate to stop the bleeding. This issue is destroying him. These words ring hollow now that his double life of hypocrisy has been exposed. Furthermore, this just extends the discussion of race, which does him no favors. Think Hillary or the Repubs will just magically drop the isse because he put together some fancy footwork and flowery words? If so then you just might be naive enough to support Obama. This issue cuts to the core of his candidacy and slices it right open.
     
  11. Major

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    Yup. Just like Super Tuesday was going to expose him and end his candidacy when Hillary got a 600 delegate lead. Your predictive record on Obama is beyond woeful.
     
  12. rhino17

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    I dont think it did anything. People who support Obama are still gonna support him no mtter what and this didnt make people who didnt support, support him now
     
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    You hit it on the head!



    I also said that if he couldn't handle this situation then he didn't deserve to be president, but time and time again he has showed me he has showed me that he is unfazed by pressure! I have the up most respect for this man as man first and a leader....Some of the topics he touched on I haven't heard ANY politician speak on in my life time!
     
  14. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    you still predicting disaster for obama. don't you get tired of being wrong?
     
  15. insane man

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    wow.

    he's phenomenal.
     
  16. Major

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    I think Obama has a solid base of about 40% and Clinton has a solid base of about 40% (in an average demographic state). I agree nothing much will change with those groups. The question is that 20% in between.
     
  17. Apollo Creed

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    Wow. Amazing speech. Color me incredibly impressed that he could talk about such a touchy issue so candidly and honestly.
     
  18. gifford1967

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    Prior to the primaries, I very much wanted Gore as the nominee. When he didn't enter the race, my support went to Edwards, both for his positions and I thought he was the Democrats most electable candidate. When Edwards dropped out, I became a luke warm Obama supporter, because I preferred him to Hillary.

    That changed today with this speech.

    I have never heard a more honest, intelligent, courageous speech by a politician. He unflinchingly addressed the most inflammatory issue in our society and said what needed to be said.

    I'm in.
     
  19. El_Conquistador

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    Here is the Hillary crowd's reaction:

    Barack Obama today will once again exploit racial issues, divide the country, and with the help of Big Media attempt to further bamboozle the American electorate.

    The issue regarding Reverend Wright has very little to do with race - the issue is Barack Obama’s judgment.

    Again, Obama is stoking racial strife, racial issues, race itself - for his own personal benefit. Instead of answering why Obama has displayed, repeatedly, total lack of judgment in decades long, generations long relationships - Obama will try to drag us all into his Obama drama of race “in a broader context“. We don’t need to discuss Reverend Wright in a “broader context”. We need Obama to specifically address his lack of judgment.

    Instead of addressing his personal, selfish, lack of judgment, Obama will try to drag us all into the abyss. Obama is inflaming racial tensions, which he earlier was touting as no longer relevant, because Americans are beginning to see through his flim flam act no matter how much Big Media trys to protect him:
     
  20. B-Bob

    B-Bob "94-year-old self-described dreamer"
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    T_J, thank you for defining desperation and spin for us, with that post from your good friends at the Hillary campaign.

    To not acknowledge the power and honesty of this speech is to paint "hopeless partisan" across one's forehead.

    I am very impressed by the speech, and I'd not expected to be impressed. I'd thought I was witnessing the latest swiftboating of a candidate, and that may still happen, but I'm very happy, at the least, that these words have been spoken and will be read. Even if he doesn't become the nominee and then become president, there's a tiny chance this will raise the bar for campaign rhetoric. It will be very interesting to watch the next major public appearances from Hillary and John McC. I have higher hopes for the latter of course than the former.
     

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