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Obama's Speech in Response to the Wright Controversy

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by gifford1967, Mar 18, 2008.

  1. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    LOL, you didn't know she was alive either jerk
     
  2. Pistol Pete

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    I wasn't the one coming to set the facts straight with some bogus info. That would be you. My mistake was thinking you had put down the comic book long enough to look up whether or not she was actually dead before posting that she was dead.
     
  3. ymc

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    Obama fan, time to hit the panic button? ;)

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080319/pl_nm/usa_politics_poll_dc

    Obama's lead over Clinton narrows: Reuters poll

    By Steve Holland Wed Mar 19, 7:03 AM ET

    WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Democrat Barack Obama's big national lead over Hillary Clinton has all but evaporated in the U.S. presidential race, and both Democrats trail Republican John McCain, according a Reuters/Zogby poll released on Wednesday.
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    The poll showed Obama had only a statistically insignificant lead of 47 percent to 44 percent over Clinton, down sharply from a 14 point edge he held over her in February when he was riding the tide of 10 straight victories.

    Illinois Sen. Obama, who would be America's first black president, has been buffeted by attacks in recent weeks from New York Sen. Clinton over his fitness to serve as commander-in-chief and by a tempest over racially charged sermons given by his Chicago preacher.

    The poll showed Arizona Sen. McCain, who has clinched the Republican presidential nomination, is benefiting from the lengthy campaign battle between Obama and Clinton, who are now battling to win Pennsylvania on April 22.

    McCain leads 46 percent to 40 percent in a hypothetical matchup against Obama in the November presidential election, according to the poll.

    That is a sharp turnaround from the Reuters/Zogby poll from last month, which showed in a head-to-head matchup that Obama would beat McCain 47 percent to 40 percent.

    "The last couple of weeks have taken a toll on Obama and in a general election match-up, on both Democrats," said pollster John Zogby.

    Matched up against Clinton, McCain leads 48 percent to 40 percent, narrower than his 50 to 38 percent advantage over her in February.

    "It's not surprising to me that McCain's on top because there is disarray and confusion on the Democratic side," Zogby said

    Obama gave a speech on Tuesday rebuking his pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, for sermons sometimes laced with inflammatory tirades but said he could not disown him and it was time for Americans to bind the country's racial wounds.

    The poll showed Obama continues to have strong support from the African-American community but that he is experiencing some slippage among moderates and independents.

    Among independents, McCain led for the first time in the poll, 46 percent to 36 percent over Obama.

    He was behind McCain by 21 percent among white voters.

    Zogby attributed this to a combination of the fallout from Clinton's victory in Ohio earlier this month and the controversy over Wright's sermons.

    "And, just the closer he gets to the nomination, the tougher questions whites ask about an African-American candidate," Zogby said.

    The March 13-14 poll surveyed 525 likely Democratic primary voters for the matchup between Clinton and Obama. It has a margin of error of plus or minus 4.4 percentage points.

    For the matchup between McCain and his Democratic rivals, 1004 likely voters were surveyed. It has a margin of error of plus or minus 3.2 percentage points.

    (To read more about the U.S. political campaign, visit Reuters "Tales from the Trail: 2008" online at http://blogs.reuters.com/trail08/
     
  4. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    Don't blame me for your shortcomings
     
  5. Pistol Pete

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    With that weak attempt at blame shifting... You need to apply for a job on the Blame Train Campaign of Obama.
     
  6. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    HAHA, I Didn't know's shes alive

    YOU WIN THE INTERNETS AWARDS

    LOLOLOLOLOLOL

    talk about inferiority complex
     
  7. Pistol Pete

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    As everyone else but you did, when Obama mentioned his grandmother without preferencing her as his deceased, departed, etc.. grandmother, I assumed she was alive. Then along came this know-it-all staunch Obama supporter claiming she was dead. What exactly made you think she was dead when you came here to make a fool of yourself with false information?
     
  8. pgabriel

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    YOU WIN THE INTERNETS


    YOU DIDNT KNOWS BUT YOU FOLLOWED MES AND YOU LOST BUT ITS MY FAULTS, YOU WINS
     
  9. Pistol Pete

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    Can you translate that in to some form of intelligible English?
     
  10. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    it means this is stupid ass distraction only meant to fuel your ego. whether she's alive or not has no bearing on the discussion. you caught a mistake, congratulations. now your inferiority complex has to drive home the point that i didn't know obama's grandmother was alive in a internet discussion with someone i don't know in an arugment in which this fact has nothing to do with the overall issue of obama's preacher.

    not to mention the fact that you didn't know either
     
  11. Zion

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    You are not very smart, are you.

    or maybe you just didn't listen to the whole speech because you obviously don't get it.
     
  12. Pistol Pete

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    I didn't catch the mistake, someone else did. The guy said get your facts straight and he had a point. He seemed like an Obama supporter and I thought it was funny that another Obama supporter was the fool who posted the false info. Everyone who posted something in regards to Obama's grandmother after your declaration thought she was dead because we all thought you had enough sense to look something up like that before you posted it. Kudos to the poster who set us all straight. We will all need to look up anything you post from this point on to check to see if it is accurate.
     
  13. Pistol Pete

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    I listened to the whole speech and I do get it. In my opinion, Obama threw his alive and well maternal grandmother under the bus. I personally think it would have been better to have thrown his paternal grandfather under the bus with too, since his grandfather's racist statement regarding her very own white daughter may have played in to the grandma's views of black men.
     
    #253 Pistol Pete, Mar 19, 2008
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  14. ymc

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    Another cold hard fact that shows Obama's hypocrisy. I think he really need to disown Wright to stop the bleeding.

    http://www.abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=3031317&page=1

    Obama: Fire Imus
    Obama First White House Contender to Call for Imus' Firing Over Racial Slur

    By JAKE TAPPER
    April 11, 2007
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    Obama said he appeared once on Imus' show two years ago, and "I have no intention of returning."

    Racial Slur Stirs Trouble for Shock Jock

    Last week, Imus referred to the Rutgers University women's basketball team, most of whom are African-American, as "nappy-headed hos." He has since apologized for his remarks, and CBS and MSNBC suspended his show for two weeks.

    "He didn't just cross the line," Obama said. "He fed into some of the worst stereotypes that my two young daughters are having to deal with today in America. The notions that as young African-American women -- who I hope will be athletes -- that that somehow makes them less beautiful or less important. It was a degrading comment. It's one that I'm not interested in supporting."

    Though every major presidential candidate has decried the racist remarks, Obama is the first one to say Imus should lose his job for them.

    His proclamation was the latest in an ever-expanding list of bad news for Imus.

    Sponsors, including American Express Co., General Motors Corp., Procter & Gamble Co., and Staples Inc. -- have announced they are pulling advertisements from the show for the indefinite future.

    Tuesday, the basketball team held a press conference.

    "I think that this has scarred me for life," said Matee Ajavon. "We grew up in a world where racism exists, and there's nothing we can do to change that."

    "What we've been seeing around this country is this constant ratcheting up of a coarsening of the culture that all of have to think about," Obama said.

    "Insults, humor that degrades women, humor that is based in racism and racial stereotypes isn't fun," the senator told ABC News.

    "And the notion that somehow it's cute or amusing, or a useful diversion, I think, is something that all of us have to recognize is just not the case. We all have First Amendment rights. And I am a constitutional lawyer and strongly believe in free speech, but as a culture, we really have to do some soul-searching to think about what kind of toxic information are we feeding our kids," he concluded.
     
  15. pgabriel

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    I think it makes you feel better that a black man is racist because of your own personal views
     
  16. Pistol Pete

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    "didn't want the Obama blood sullied by a white woman." = racist.
     
  17. pgabriel

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    so what, what does that have to do with his grandmother. do you really think his grandfather made his grandmother racist, a woman from a generation of racists? that's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. obama was raised by his grandmother, his grandmother is an american. his grandfather is irrelevant to the speech.

    and the true hilarity of yet another ridiculous argument, how do you know his grandfather was racist in the first freakin place? who told you that? so he wasn't trying to hide anyone or throw anyone under the bus. his grandfather was already under the bus so you can feel better about your own personal beliefs since you are so hell bent to prove that there are also black racists.

    btw, how is the church racist?
     
  18. Pistol Pete

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    No, I don't. I think it's as non relevant as mentioning his grandmother when explaining away the racist attitude of his preacher friend. Since Obama was using non relevant examples, I thought we shouldn't exclude the perfect example of racist thinking that his grandfather provided.

    Obama was just scrounging for an example to say.... "See, white people do it too." and was low enough to drag the woman who raised him in to it. Pointing out 2 examples of wrong isn't going to make what Wright says on a daily basis right.

    What makes you think the grandmother came from a generation of racists?

    His grandfather was implying there was something wrong with a white persons blood being mixed with a black persons. You can't be that damn stupid to not be able to comprehend that is a racist statement to make.


    When was his grandfather thrown under and by whom?

    I've answered that many times to you. I'm done with that question.
     
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  19. pgabriel

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    because of the generation she was born in, this country had racist laws supported by his racist citizens. I know you aren't going to deny this, if so, have a nice day



    talk about reading comprehension, I never said his grandfather wasn't racist. his grandfather isn't american, obama is talking about american history and americans and people who shaped his life. you just are out to prove that a black man is racist to justify your feelings.




    who do we suppose let us know his grandfather's feelings about his mother. where do you think that information came from?



    no you haven't. btw, white people attend this church. btw, this dude wright was a marine, probably served more time for this country than you or i combined
     
  20. Major

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    He wasn't explaining away the racist attitude of his preacher. He was explaining his relationship with his preacher, which was similar to what he had with his grandmother. Despite both of them having flaws, they are family to him and he is not going to disown them. Since he didn't have the same close relationship with his grandfather, using that as a comparison would be irrelevant.

    Reading comprehension is useful.
     

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