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Obama's Speech in Response to the Wright Controversy

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by gifford1967, Mar 18, 2008.

  1. Pistol Pete

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    No..i thought I'd keep you entertained with material presented in a way you can understand.
     
  2. FranchiseBlade

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    I'm sorry but it makes no sense to believe that Obama is responsible for changing his pastor. The man has been around a long time and his about to retire. Obama removed him from his campaign, spoke out clearly against the divisiveness against some of Wright's messages, but claiming that he is somehow at fault because he didn't turn his spiritual adviser into changing his tune is just stupid.

    That isn't Obama's job or anything he claimed to do. I think it is clear from this thread that there are those who want to dislike Obama. So regardless of the logic and evidence presented to them, they will move the goal posts and come out against him, even blaming him for what other people do.

    They do this despite the fact that Obama has cut loose the divisive folks from his campaign, and cried out against messages that don't coincide with his own message and hopes.

    Oh well.
     
  3. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    very mature of you. irony
     
  4. gifford1967

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    Dude, just get your McCain bumper sticker already.
     
  5. ymc

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    He should take the lead to reconcile. Isn't that what leadership is all about?

    It is not his job. But this can show that he can really unite people. If Jerry Falwell can apologize, why can't Wright? I think people will give him points if he tried to change Wright even if it is not successful.

    Frankly he didn't show good leadership throughout this Wright episode. He should have talked about this when the campaign begins (when it comes to his attention according to him) instead of being defensive now.

    Isn't leadership the most important thing in a Presidency?
     
  6. FranchiseBlade

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    If actual facts get in the way of attacking Obama then stick to the false assumptions.
     
  7. ymc

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    But now this new fact creates a new problem for Obama. He better call his grandma now to make sure she doesn't go astray from the script.
     
  8. FranchiseBlade

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    He has taken the lead in reconciliation with the Hillary people, and talked about how harping in the Ferraro incident wasn't wise, about how he takes Hillary at her word about her South Carolina stuff, and so on.

    Wright can apologize or not apologize. That has nothing to do with Obama. Obama has said all along that Wright wasn't a political advisor. That he didn't seek political advice from Wright, but spiritual advice from him.

    Obama has taken the leadership on this issue, and brought forward issues that are sticking points for more than one race, and was honest about it. He cut through painting a false rosy picture, and talked about things as they really are.

    Anyone in his campaign who's spoken out in ways that aren't consistent with Obama's message including Wright has been removed from the campaign, and their words denounced.
     
  9. Pistol Pete

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    Pgabriel.

    White America, United States of White America, racist United States of America, white arrogance.

    These are the words Wright throws around freely. Take those words and read this part of the mission statement that I'm posting below. If you can't figure out that Wright is a racist, may God help you.

    Who would go to a church so damn focused on racially dividing our society?

    Disavowal of the Pursuit of “Middleclassness”

    Classic methodology on control of captives teaches that captors must keep the captive ignorant educationally, but trained sufficiently well to serve the system. Also, the captors must be able to identify the “talented tenth” of those subjugated, especially those who show promise of providing the kind of leadership that might threaten the captor’s control.

    Those so identified as separated from the rest of the people by:

    Killing them off directly, and/or fostering a social system that encourages them to kill off one another.

    Placing them in concentration camps, and/or structuring an economic environment that induces captive youth to fill the jails and prisons.

    Seducing them into a socioeconomic class system which while training them to earn more dollars, hypnotizes them into believing they are better than others and teaches them to think in terms of “we” and “they” instead of “us”…
     
  10. Pistol Pete

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    BTW...A pro Obama poster in this thread threw that "fact" out there.. LOL It was our dear friend Pgabriel
     
    #230 Pistol Pete, Mar 19, 2008
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    first of all, the majority of people who attend this church have been separated from the rest of america since birth. so let's stop trying to blame division in america on this church in chicago. if you need to know why america is divided, pick up a history book.

    Is this country not majority white?

    and lastly, that last statement isn't racist, it doesn't even mention white people. the mission of the church is to overcome the situation of black people in this country? how is that racist?
     
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    Obama has challenged all Americans to change our racist society with his speech. So why does Wright get a pass? Because he is the old crazy uncle? That's not good enough. He needed to send a message, take responsibilty, and quit his church. The change starts by telling his own people to change and not just denounce their beliefs. He chose to be the man to tackle the race issue in thus country so get to work.
     
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    So blacks can be racist because white's were racist first?
     
  14. Pistol Pete

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    No one blamed it on that church. However, people who believe that crap will continue to feel seperated. Part of the problem with racism is ignorant ideology being passed on generation to generation. It happens in segments of all races. Obama the uniter had no business hanging around a church like that. Even Wright told Obama it would cause him problems being associated with a radical church like his.

    It's racist to blame the united states of white america for things like AIDs.

    What does this country being majority white have to do with anything? This country belongs to all of us.

    The mission along with the reverand's comments imply that white people are the root of a black person's problems.
     
  15. pgabriel

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    so you can put words in my mouth

    ITS NOT RACIST
     
  16. pgabriel

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    that's ignorant not racist

    you refer to the statements of him calling america white. it is. its majority european decent. we speak english. its a white country, true or not?
     
  17. Pistol Pete

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    How did Obama's dead grandma (LOL) react to be described at the very least racially insensitive?
     
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    Blanket statements labeling all "rich white people" for being a certain way is racist.

    I guess in your opinion if a white pastor said, "we should love poor black people even though they are ignorant, bigots, and small minded" that wouldn't be racist.
     
  19. Pistol Pete

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    No...if he just said the United States of America. That's ignorant. He chose to inject race by adding white in to the statement.

    America isn't just white.. It's a melting pot. Lots of different cultures, lots of different races. That's what makes this country great.
     
  20. pgabriel

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    go back and listen to the statements again, he's talking about the usual candidate for president

    for the second time
     

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