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Obama's Speech in Response to the Wright Controversy

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  1. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    tell me how its racist, you've failed to do so just yet.
     
  2. Pistol Pete

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    No, not to my knowledge were either of my grandfather's racist. I don't recall hearing anything of the sort from either of them.

    If I were Obama and I had some racists in my family and I was against racism, I doubt I'd hook up with the Reverand Wright and his church of hate....
     
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    Either that, or since he was talking about who raised him, he didn't include his African grandfather who had a much more limited role in his life. Should he have just made a list of all the racist people in his life instead of giving his speech?

    I don't think people have any clue what they are trying to argue anymore.
     
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    He never said she said it happened in Hawaii. Reading comprehension is good.
     
  5. Major

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    Probably because, like he indicated in his speech, he believes there is a lot of good in Rev. Wright and not just the bad. You just don't see it, because you only see Youtube clips of him. If he and his wife are involved in their children's lives, they are more than capable of teaching them right and wrong.

    What is the "week after week" you're talking about? As far as we know, he's done it in about a handful of sermons - across 20 years. It seems that Obama prefers to look at the 95% good that he claims Wright has instead of the 5% bad that you focus on. That fits right in with his style of leadership, which is to take the best of everyone's views in trying to create policy, and working with people on the other side of issues instead of demonizing them.
     
  6. ymc

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    Their relationship is just for political convenience. It is nowhere near as close as Obama and Wright. I don't think McCain attended his church anywhere close to 20 years. The church is in Ohio you know.

    There is a big difference of his grandma talking it privately and Wright talking it is in a church. Not to mention since we don't know the specifics, we don't know whether his grandma's words are as vile as Wright.
     
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    He should have dealt with the issue at hand instead of dragging others in to his mess. He should have addressed his poor judgement and the poor example of uniting people he was setting at his own church. A man of Obama's political stature going to that racially divisive church is reckless behavior.
     
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    If you are talking about 5% of his public time is bad, then he is pretty bad. Even mass murderer only murder people in less than 1% of their time. The rest of the time, they are probably a good neighbor, a good husband/father, etc.

    If he is a true uniter, then he should try to reconcile his people with Hillary instead of allowing them to demonize her. In the same vein, he should also try to change Wright's view about America such that Wright can come out and apologize. (Jerry Falwell did apologize his 9/11 remarks) He did neither but you believe in this words like people believed in Bush's BS eight years ago.
     
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    I read the mission of the church and I've heard the comments from it's pastor. I know what that church is about and so should you. The kinda crap that is being taught there is a huge part of the reason racism isn't dying.

    I'm sure 95% of the time most racists are good people. :rolleyes:
     
  10. pgabriel

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    what is racist?
     
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    Obama hasn't done anything to alienate his people from Hillary. Hillary has done the alienating. She could easily take steps toward a more reconciliatory tone.

    It also isn't Obama's job to make Wright apologize. You seem to be placing unreal almost nonsensical expectations on what Obama should do, and then getting upset when he doesn't do it.

    He's cut Wright loose from his campaign, and stated plainly and clearly that he disagrees with Wright's message. Wright is from a different generation who is going to retire, and is a grown man. Obama can't make him apologize, and even if he did, nobody would buy it. They would say Wright is only doing it for political reasons, so it wouldn't do any good any way.
     
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    Since you relate to comic books better.
     
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    From newspapers across the country the speech is getting rave reviews for its honesty, candor and shear brilliance! Even republicans are lauding it as one of the most influential speeches in decades!

    Kudos to Mr. Obama!
     
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    I still have yet to hear anything actually racist from Wright's sermons, or church mission.

    Sorry, helping the black community doesn't count as racist.

    Wright's words were divisive, perhaps even close to delusional, and not well thought out. They weren't racist though.
     
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    Obama needs to show us how he transcends race and is above all this crap. He's supposed to be the One that is going to solve America's racial problems. He's the most qualified because he is half Kenyan and half American. You can't blame his pastor, his grandma, or anyone from the 50s, 60s, because they are a product of their racist generations. Obama is above all this. He's gonna change the world. Well, how about starting with your own church and pastor. How about changing the way his own people think. How about changing Rev. Wright, his Grandma, Farrakhan, Geraldine Ferarro, and all of the other racists that he seems to have tolerated for over 2 decades before he ran for President. He wanted to pull this race card, now show America how you are gonna do it and stop talking. Show us the way! :rolleyes:
     
  16. pgabriel

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    how did obama pull the race card out?
     
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    It's also not hard to understand why someone from Wright's generation would call it the United States of White America. For most of the greatest democracy's history a significant percentage of its population(blacks) weren't even allowed to vote. Outside of the small period of reconstruction, blacks haven't even been able to vote in this nation for 50 years. Not even for 50 years! They fought and died in its wars, they worked for inferior wages and were denied many of the privileges others in the country were allowed to have. But they weren't even allowed to vote for anyone who could look after their interests until 1965.

    So while Wright's words weren't smart, and were certainly divisive, and didn't help heal things, it might help to think about why someone from his generation might think along those lines. It doesn't excuse what Wright said, but nobody is trying to do that.
     
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    this is your analysis that the statements are racist, because a comic said so
     
  19. ymc

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    I think you set the racist bar too high (or that's how deep you are charmed by Obama?). The majority of this country obviously set the bar far lower.
     
  20. Pistol Pete

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    Here ya go...

    Wright on 9/11: "White America got their wake-up call after 9/11. White America and the Western world came to realize people of color had not gone away, faded in the woodwork, or just disappeared as the Great White West kept on its merry way of ignoring black concerns." On the Sunday after the attacks, Dr. Wright blamed America.


    Wright on the disappearance of Natalee Holloway: "Black women are being raped daily in Africa. One white girl from Alabama gets drunk at a graduation trip to Aruba, goes off and gives it up while in a foreign country and that stays in the news for months."


    Wright on America: He has used the term "middleclassness" in a derogatory manner; frequently mentions "white arrogance" and the "oppression" of African-Americans today; and has referred to "this racist United States of America."


    Wright laced into America's establishment, blaming the "white arrogance" of America's Caucasian majority for the woes of the world, especially the oppression suffered by blacks. To underscore the point he refers to the country as the "United States of White America." Many in the congregation, including Obama, nodded in apparent agreement as these statements were made.
     

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