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Obamandias: Hipsters on food stamps

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  1. basso

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    are SNAP and EBT the same thing?

    http://www.salon.com/2010/03/16/hipsters_food_stamps_pinched/

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    In the John Waters-esque sector of northwest Baltimore — equal parts kitschy, sketchy, artsy and weird — Gerry Mak and Sarah Magida sauntered through a small ethnic market stocked with Japanese eggplant, mint chutney and fresh turmeric. After gathering ingredients for that evening’s dinner, they walked to the cash register and awaited their moments of truth.

    “I have $80 bucks left!” Magida said. “I’m so happy!”

    “I have $12,” Mak said with a frown.

    The two friends weren’t tabulating the cash in their wallets but what remained of the monthly allotment on their Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program debit cards, the official new term for what are still known colloquially as food stamps.

    Magida, a 30-year-old art school graduate, had been installing museum exhibits for a living until the recession caused arts funding — and her usual gigs — to dry up. She applied for food stamps last summer, and since then she’s used her $150 in monthly benefits for things like fresh produce, raw honey and fresh-squeezed juices from markets near her house in the neighborhood of Hampden, and soy meat alternatives and gourmet ice cream from a Whole Foods a few miles away.

    “I’m eating better than I ever have before,” she told me. “Even with food stamps, it’s not like I’m living large, but it helps.”

    Mak, 31, grew up in Westchester, graduated from the University of Chicago and toiled in publishing in New York during his 20s before moving to Baltimore last year with a meager part-time blogging job and prospects for little else. About half of his friends in Baltimore have been getting food stamps since the economy toppled, so he decided to give it a try; to his delight, he qualified for $200 a month.

    “I’m sort of a foodie, and I’m not going to do the ‘living off ramen’ thing,” he said, fondly remembering a recent meal he’d prepared of roasted rabbit with butter, tarragon and sweet potatoes. “I used to think that you could only get processed food and government cheese on food stamps, but it’s great that you can get anything.”

    Think of it as the effect of a grinding recession crossed with the epicurean tastes of young people as obsessed with food as previous generations were with music and sex. Faced with lingering unemployment, 20- and 30-somethings with college degrees and foodie standards are shaking off old taboos about who should get government assistance and discovering that government benefits can indeed be used for just about anything edible, including wild-caught fish, organic asparagus and triple-crème cheese.

    Food policy experts and human resource administrators are quick to point out that the overwhelming majority of the record 38 million Americans now using food stamps are their traditional recipients: the working poor, the elderly and single parents on welfare.

    But they also note that recent changes made to the program as part of last year’s stimulus package, which relaxed the restrictions on able-bodied adults without dependents to collect food stamps, have made some young singles around the country eligible for the first time.

    “There are many 20-somethings from educated families who go through a period of unemployment and live very frugally, maybe even technically in poverty, who now qualify,” said Parke Wilde, a food economist at Tufts University who has written extensively about food stamp usage and policy.

    The increase in food stamp use among this demographic is hard to measure, as they represent a cross section of characteristics not specifically tracked by the Agriculture Department, which administers the program.

    But general unemployment figures among the group are stark: Between the ends of 2007 and 2009, unemployment among those aged 20 to 34 rose 100 percent, and between 2006 and 2009, unemployment among those with a bachelor’s degree or higher was up 179 percent.

    And in cities that are magnets for 20- and 30-something creatives and young professionals, the kinds of food markets that specialize in delectables like artisanal bread, heirloom tomatoes and grass-fed beef have seen significant upticks in food stamp payments among their typical shoppers. At the Wedge, a market in the stylish Uptown neighborhood of Minneapolis; at New Seasons Market, a series of nine specialty stores in and around Portland, Ore.; and at Rainbow Grocery, a stalwart for food lovers in San Francisco’s Mission District, food stamp purchases have doubled in the past year.

    “The use has gone way up in the last six months,” said Eric Wilcox, a cashier who has worked at Rainbow Grocery in San Francisco for 10 years. “We’re seeing a lot more young people in their 20s purchasing organic food with food stamp cards. I wouldn’t say it’s limited to hipster people, but I’m certainly surprised to see them with cards.”

    Young urbanites with a taste for ciabatta may legitimately be among the new poor, but their participation in the program is far from universally accepted. A New York Times story in late November about the program’s explosive growth generated a storm of comments online, with many readers lobbing familiar accusations of laziness and irresponsibility.

    But there seems to be a special strain of ire reserved for those like the self-described “30-something, unemployed, ex-fashionista, EBT armed, post-hipster, downtown mom” from New York who, in January, drew nearly 500 comments on the Web site Urbanbaby.com, many seething with fury at her for trying to maintain the trappings of a materialistic, cosmopolitan life while using an Electronic Benefit Transfer card — food stamps — to feed her family. (Her blog is now password-protected.)

    “You’re hosting dinner parties and buying cases of wine — on taxpayers’ money!” one person wrote. “Your attitude is so objectionable that you’re like a trainwreck; it’s hard to look away.” (One cannot, in fact, buy wine with food stamps, though dinner party ingredients are fair game.)

    And on the blog Stuff Unemployed People Like, along with “not showering regularly” and “sleeping in while your significant other goes to work,” a post last year touted “buying Perrier with food stamps” and sarcastically claimed that “the fancier the food, the more glee there is in knowing the government has once again helped in enabling a lavish lifestyle.” Of the reader responses that poured in, many were food stamp users who defended their shopping choices (including, yes, Perrier) while others attacked them.

    “While one person works their butt off,” one wrote, “another is just waiting in line so they can recieve [sic] their ‘luxury’ food stamps and recieve [sic] basically whatever they want.”

    But among young food stamp recipients I spoke with, there’s less glee than traces of embarrassment about their situations; few want to be seen handing over applications at the human resource office, and they can be sheepish about presenting their snap cards in a checkout line.

    Josh Ankerberg, a 26-year-old who lives in Brooklyn, N.Y., started getting food stamps a year ago as an AmeriCorps volunteer, a group that has long had special dispensation to qualify for them, and he has continued using them while he job hunts. He uses his $200 in monthly benefits at Trader Joe’s, Whole Foods and a local farmer’s market to maintain his self-described healthy flexitarian diet, and notes that two of his roommates — a graduate student in poetry and an underemployed cook, both in their 20s — also started getting food stamps in the past two months, as have other friends and acquaintances.

    Still, Ankerberg said, “There’s a sort of uneasiness about it. A few friends that are artists in Williamsburg are like, ‘Don’t say we’re on food stamps too loudly. Just keep it between you and me.’”

    At the same time, there seems to be little moral quandary about collecting a benefit traditionally thought of as intended for the downtrodden. In a nondiscriminating recession that laid waste almost across the board, the feeling is that anyone who meets the near-poverty level requirements for collecting food stamps shouldn’t feel guilty about doing so.

    Controversy about how they use food stamps marks an interesting shift from the classic critique that the program subsidizes diets laden with soda pop and junk food. But from that perspective, food stamp-using foodies might be applauded for demonstrating that one can, indeed, eat healthy and make delicious home-cooked meals on a tight budget.

    And while they might be questioned for viewing premium ingredients as a necessity, it could also be argued that they’re eating the best and most conscious way they know how. They are often cooking at home. They are using fresh ingredients. This is, after all, a generation steeped in Michael Pollan books, bountiful farmer’s markets and a fetish for all things sustainable and handcrafted. Is it wrong to believe there should be a local, free-range chicken in every Le Creuset pot?

    At Magida’s brick row house in Baltimore, she and Mak minced garlic while observing that one of the upsides of unemployment was having plenty of time to cook elaborate meals, and that among their friends, they had let go of any bad feelings about how their food was procured.

    “It’s not a thing people feel ashamed of, at least not around here,” said Mak. “It feels like a necessity right now.”

    Savory aromas wafted through the kitchen as a table was set with a heaping plate of Thai yellow curry with coconut milk and lemongrass, Chinese gourd sautéed in hot chile sauce and sweet clementine juice, all of it courtesy of government assistance.

    “At first, I thought, ‘Why should I be on food stamps?’” said Magida, digging into her dinner. “Here I am, this educated person who went to art school, and there are a lot of people who need them more. But then I realized, I need them, too.”
     
  2. Dairy Ashford

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    I don't know what's worse, young people living frugally or benefiting local and typically underutilized retail businesses.
     
  3. JD88

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    My brother lives in downtown Louisville. Every time the EBT card funds are renewed, he is approached by numerous people he plays basketball with at the SAC on campus at the University of Louisville who offer to buy him all sorts of groceries in exchange for $.

    He usually ends up with $200 worth of groceries for $100. I can only imagine what they do with the $ he gives them.

    I think food stamps mean well, but in reality there are way more people abusing the privilege then many on this board, and many nationally, would like to admit.
     
  4. thadeus

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    Do you have statistics on this, or is it just a 'hunch' that confirms things you already know?
     
  5. DonnyMost

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    That article is old as hell.

    Seriously, stop treating this place like your Facebook page.
     
  6. JD88

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    Well, here's my thing. I am not nearly as old as many that post on this board, I didn't go to business school, I dont follow stocks and bonds and I can't tell you nearly as much about the effects of certain policies as many of you can.

    What I can tell you, is what I see. I am 24. I see everything that goes on the streets at the lowest level. I don't need statistics to see that many of them are wrong. The statistics I read about drug use, I laugh at. They're wrong. They're completely and totally wrong, such as "and 22.6 percent of 12th graders used mar1juana in the past month (http://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/drugfacts/high-school-youth-trends).

    When I was in high school, it was more like 80 - 90%. I went to two different high schools, one outside Cincinnati and one in Louisville, and I can tell you that 80% - 90% of the people I knew did mar1juana several times a month.

    So I don't need a statistic to know that the food stamp program is being abused. I see it every time I go to Louisville, my bother (who is 25 and works for Galen College in their financial aid dept) always has a fridge full of food from people who buy it for him in exchange for cash. I know people who are on unemployment and work jobs, former Marines on unemployment and use their G.I. Bill.

    My buddy works at the jail downtown, lives over on the west side of Houston, you should hear what his neighbors say. You should see what kind of cars they drive. I know I mentioned the story of the lady who used to live across the street from my brother who had brand new sports cars living in section 8 housing.

    Moral of the story, Im all for food stamps and unemployment if they tighten the qualifications and increase the monitoring to prevent fraud. At this point though, its just free money being handed out.
     
  7. Major Malcontent

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    Great election, eh Basso? Congrats on your bitter defeat.

    You can buy Steak and Lobster etc with food stamps...but you can't buy...for example...toilet paper.

    So if people qualify for the benefit and want to waste it all on 3 meals...Well people rich and poor all waste money from time to time.
     
  8. Major

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    Perhaps when you reach the age of 25, you'll learn the concept of "anecdotal evidence."
     
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  9. JD88

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    Perhaps when you stop following the MSM and go see for yourself, you will agree with me.
     
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    Why do I still see threads started by people on ignore?
     
  12. DonnyMost

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    Doubling down on anecdotes with a media conspiracy argument is not a winning strategy.
     
  13. Major

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    You'd have thought the media conspiracy nonsense would have stopped after the massive fail of the right-wing media's knowledge this election cycle, but apparently not.
     
  14. sammy

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    Why is this guy posting articles from 2010? :confused:

    Your second point is spot on.
     
  15. Major

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    No - going and "seeing for myself" would be the definition of that problematic anecdotal evidence thing. I prefer hard data.
     
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    Its like he's trying to reinforce the fact he spams. Dude is about to get his thread making ability in the D&D revoked, as hard as that is.
     
  17. DonnyMost

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    32 months ago, when this article was originally published, I got into an argument with a pubbie friend of mine making the same welfare queen/entitled brats screel. Oddly, this person has zero problems with people on welfare using that money to buy crap food (basically processed corn), since it is cheap. When in reality, it should be the opposite. If I'm giving you assistance, you damn well better be buying good, healthy food. I don't want to subsidize fried starch and HFCS. If nothing else, this article shows that we need to put more effort into making real food affordable, instead of making garbage food dirt cheap. Perfect rage bait for Freepers, though. Damned hipsters, ruining the economy, no personal responsibility, derp derp derp.
     
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    There are something like 40 million Americans on food stamps. And you know or are aware of, what, 100 of them?

    Thanks, but I think I'll keep going with the statistics.
     
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    Couldn't agree more. When you throw in the fact that many of the people on these programs are probably also on Medicaid/Medicare, the lifestyle change would be a benefit to taxpayers in the end.
     
  20. JD88

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    You were probably one of the ones arguing we are doing things wrong in Afghanistan too, yes?

    Tell me, what does the NYTimes article say we should do? I will compare that with what the people who live there told me on a daily basis.
     

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