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Obamacare Replacement

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by wizkid83, Feb 24, 2017.

  1. Major

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    That's not entirely what's happening, but a case can be made there that it's not teribly inaccurate. Some of it is a result of implementation, some of it could be fixed by fairly simple tweaks. The problem is on the other side. What, specifically, in the GOP bill do you believ estops this or slows it down? The GOP bill actually makes the problem *worse*. It takes more consumers out of the system. It makes health care less affordable. Tax credits are not helpful to people who don't have a year's worth of money to front for their insurance, which just increases the cost cycle by taking them off insurance. The bill "solves" pre-existing conditions by opening the door to just a 30% increase in premiums if you sign up for insurance once you're really sick, which is a huge disaster for insurers. It takes every problem in Obamacare and magnifies it substantially.

    There are much simpler tweaks that would address failings in Obamacare. Spreading the age gap from 3x to 5x is one thing in this bill that would be a positive - but it would be a far bigger positive without all the other crap. With Obamacare, this likely fixes the potential death spiral issue. With RyanCare, it doesn't make any impact.

    The GOP bill lowers access in the private market, cuts Medicare, cuts taxes for the wealthy, increases the budget deficit, and does nothing to bend the health care cost curve. And yet, you think this is an improvement. That's why you have no clue at all what you're talking about on this topic.
     
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  4. Major

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    In what way does the GOP bill ensure more people can access health care? It reduces the amount the poor get to help cover health insurance - and it delays them getting that money by 15 months - and it cuts Medicaid. It's pre-existing conditions provisions raise the cost of care in general, throwing more people off insurance. All estimates suggest 10-15 milllion people will lose access to health coverage (whether literally or because they can't afford it).

    The GOP doesn't address cost or coverage. In fact, it makes both much, much worse.
     
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    I guess I was imprecise. ACA attempted to increase access (examples, preventing pre-existing conditions exclusions and extending the age that children can be covered under parent's plan). I believe those that support the republican version of ACA would claim they also attempt to increase coverage (maintaining the same children extension, some effort towards covering pre-existing conditions). And while I know fewer people will be covered by the republican plan (millions fewer), I also suspect that republicans will say more will be covered than before ACA.
     
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    Surprised this wasn't posted...hilarious:



    "Look at the size!"

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    Big size = Big government
    Little size = Less government

    What is so funny? I don't get it.
     
  8. Jugdish

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    It's a shame Herman Cain didn't pan out...the bill would only be three pages. Now that's effective governance!
     
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    While all sorts of funny innuendo "pops up" from Spicey's comment...

    “I have to tell you, it’s an unbelievably complex subject,” Trump said. “Nobody knew that health care could be so complicated.”

     
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    I believe 95% the only reason the GOP and Trump are taking on Obamacare is they just want to re-brand it as their own solution.

    I don't buy they are trying to correct it nearly as much as they just want to take all the credit for it because they can.

    Trump has made his presidency ragging on Obamacare as the worst piece of garbage ever. Yet, all they are giving us is a paperwork slimmed down version of the same thing with some tweaks and expect us to buy the bs that their solution is the greatest thing since sliced bread. And, it was completely laughable how Spicer was trying to sell it with his two stack of papers bs. Trump says health care is incredibly complicated so then they try to sell us on the short stack of papers as being enough to deal with the complexities of it.

    In the end, this just seems way more about the bragging rights and saving the richest 1% on their taxes in regards to funding Obamacare.

    The GOP has always been pissed they didn't come out with it first because they didn't hold the majorities at the time. It's always been a sore spot for them because Obama got it done under his administration. Sure, they had to compromise at the time or look really bad. Now, they are pretending to re-invent the whole thing like this is how it should have been all along.
     
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    Its mostly Republicans ripping Paul Ryan's bill to shreds. They don't want ownership of this shitty healthcare system the Dems made. The Democrats like this bill for the above mentioned reasons.
     
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    Can you name the Democrat that support this bill? Or did you just make that up in your little fantasy world?
     
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    SO DID WE FIX HEALTHCARE YET????
     
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    LOL... Democrats sure have a funny way of showing how they like this bill...


    DNC chairman: ‘Reckless’ repeal plan shows GOP clueless on health policy
    http://thehill.com/policy/healthcar...peal-plan-shows-gop-clueless-on-health-policy
     
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    Does No mean Yes to you?
     
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    I think they are ignoring the Democrats now, this is all GOP in fighting, and they cannot agree LOL.
     
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    Republicans can't write a bill that Republicans agree on. Democrats don't even need to have an opinion at this point.
     
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    At some point I think they require some Democrats to vote with them since there are not 60 republican senators.
     
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    Exactly, if 90% plus of the house GOP an almost 100% of the Senate GOP cannot agree on the bill, nothing will happen.
     
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    exactly, the whole thing is DOA because of the freedom caucus--it's done, trump can let the rhetorical spittle fly via tweet-tantrums and proclamations via Spicey but in the words of the Black Knight: none shall pass. They will accept nothing less than full capitulation and many more millions of poors loosing coverage and slashing Medicaid. This bill is far to generous for them and the GOP can only afford 3 defectors (or is it 4?) in the Sentate. This is more smoke and mirrors, sound and fury with the Cheeto-In-Chief leading the clown parade to millions of Americans losing healthcare again.

    If he stays in office long enough, wait till he "addresses" SS and Medicare which he promised not to touch. Mulvany is licking his chops at the prospect of cuts and changes and will bend that weak-minded orange child to his way of thinking.
     

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