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Obamacare Already Having Adverse Effects

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Rocketman1981, Oct 18, 2012.

  1. Northside Storm

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    Darden operates in Canada, maybe they should enumerate how single-payer makes their lives A++
     
  2. Rocketman1981

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    If every business chose people over profit as a simple motive, out lifestyle and society would be much, much worse off than it is now.
     
  3. Ubiquitin

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    Aren't you studying for your GED?

    Do you even know what a fob is? Or how much a resident makes?
     
  4. Major

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    The tradeoff is that more people will be employed, each at fewer hours. What is the huge negative here?
     
  5. QdoubleA

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    Dude, don't you know health care would be fixed if all the greedy doctors would just open up free clinics.
     
  6. Ubiquitin

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    The free clinic is called your local ED.
     
  7. Rashmon

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    Think through what you just said...

    (ignoring your typo of out=our)
     
  8. juicystream

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    You would be wishing a lot of businesses out of business.
     
  9. Rocketman1981

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    What a company is clearly stating is that the provisions of the Affordable Care Act will force them to change their model from more full-time to part-time workers.

    Is this not clearly a negative effect of the Act? If the company felt it was better to have more part-time employees, then it would have done so years ago, but is doing so now in part to offset these ACA costs.

    As a company that employes 180,000 people. 180,000 people and is a large employer in this country don't you think we should be listening to what they say instead of vilifying them for not losing money?

    This anti-business sentiment in this nation is really pathetic.
     
  10. Major

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    No, it's not. Darden is stating that it's been in a multi-year employee cost reduction process, and it's experimenting with the idea of more part-time workers as part of that, and it has made no conclusions about that experiment as of yet.

    That's not true. It concluded that it was better to tip-share, but it only did that last year. Does that mean tip-sharing wasn't better 2 years ago?

    Besides which, even if it does turn out better for the company, is it worse for employees? That's the question I'm asking you - you have individuals working fewer hours, but have more people employed. Is that necessarily a net negative?

    So you believe whatever is best for businesses is automatically best for the US population? I'm sure Darden would like to eliminate minimum wages too. And get rid of safety regulations that cost the company money. Should we automatically just do that because it's best for the company?
     
  11. Rocketman1981

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    I assume you meand ER, which is stating why the system is flawed but at the same time not willing to step up yourself and sacrifice money for running a subsistence or free clinic, but instead going after the money yourself and then vilifying a business for doing the same thing.

    One of the biggest reasons for healthcare inflation after all is the AMA and Physicians Licensing groups attempting to protect their own by limiting the number of physicians in the US in a deceptive attempt to maintain high physician salaries.

    That there is a physician of every 1200 people is ridiculous when many physicians want to practice here. But then physicians would fall out of the top income earners in the country for the benefit of the nation.
     
  12. Rocketman1981

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    When did I say I was an anarchist? The point is that much of the regulation and government instrusion into industry is counter-productive and eventually those costs are passed on to consumers by higher prices and employees with lower wages or benefits.
     
  13. Ubiquitin

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    It's not a room. Stop talking out of your ass and study harder for your SAT.

    edit: GED. I forgot you haven't finished high school yet.
     
  14. Major

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    You're saying we should listen to companies like Darden and conclude that this is a bad law. Why should we listen to Darden on health care but not safety or minimum wage or anything else?

    You have to look at a policy as a whole. Yes, Darden might be less profitable. And employees might be moved to part time. Those are negatives. But on the plus side, more people will be employed. And those employees will now have access to sudsidized health care, improving their quality of life. Is that a net total negative?
     
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    So i guess you are complaining that people these workers led a great life uninsured working for a single company, but now will suffer because they work just as much but with two part time jobs due to greedy corporations unwilling to trickle down from the tax cuts they keep saying they need?
     
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    Lets consider the inverse of your statement.

    What if every business ignored the welfare of their employees and only factored in profit. You are saying that is the ideal?

    That's easy to find. Look at societies going through their industrial revolutions (even current day China). Is that our aspiration?

    What sets America apart is it has the greatest economic engine the world has ever seen. It's called 'middle class'. Companies won't have any demand for their products if they don't have lots of customers ...and America has lots of customers with money to spend.
     
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    You continue to prove your ignorance in the subject. "Physicians don't care about people, they just want monies der der der". Flooding the market with foreign physicians will cure all of our woes, no doubt. Forget that you can buy an MD in a lot of places among hundreds of other reasons. Screw it, let any and everybody practice medicine. You should write a book about your profound theories. And for the record he didn't mean ER, he meant ED.
     
  18. Rocketman1981

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    Its a fundamental question of what creates a middle class?

    I believe a middle class is created when companies are efficient and low tax and regulatory structures allow people to create businesses and hire and that creates innovation and industry.

    I don't believe a middle class by the government redistributing wealth and forcing companies to pay more or give more benefits to people. I think that creates societies much like Europe where you have a very small elite and a majority of the population is lower-middle class. It also creates a society with less of an ability to have people move financially between these classes.

    In a competitive job environment a business owner will determine the value of the individuals he hires and compensate them accordingly. If he underpays them then if they truly create more value, another employer will recognize this and offer more and company number one will lose its talent base and eventually lose market share and business.

    Forcing a company to offer more than the value brought to the table to its employees will have that company eventually fail.
     
  19. Rocketman1981

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    You are a coward because I called you out.

    You're making these blanket statements that others' business should sacrifice their incomes and profits for society and you refuse to do so yourself. If you wish to back up your statement you could rotate 3 days a week at a hospital and have a subsistence clinic and sacrifice your income for the betterment of healthcare and society.

    But I doubt that will happen as you're a fraud with your statements. Do as I say, don't do as I do I guess. Don't expect others to do what you are not willing to yourself.
     
  20. rockergordon

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    I got a hundred buck rebate back from my insurer. Sweet!
     

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