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Obama Will Rob Us of the American Dream

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by El_Conquistador, Oct 24, 2008.

  1. Nice Rollin

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    LOL. your opinion is stupid.......and pornstars used to be stippers? how old are you? you watch too many movies.
     
  2. BetterThanEver

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    No one should serve as president until they become a CEO of a large bank or economist, either. No one should be president until they become an abortion doctor, gyno doc, or given birth. No one should be president until they become a mortgage broker and real estate also.
     
  3. B-Bob

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    I would like a president who has been a teacher! :)
     
  4. FranchiseBlade

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    The guy's name is white trash. He is purely a poll in this forum. I think I was wrong to feed the troll with a reply.
     
  5. Invisible Fan

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    I think Edward James Olmos would be a great President.
     
  6. rimrocker

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    So, no Adams, Jefferson, Madison, Monroe? No FDR?

    Do you count what Reagan and W. did as service?
     
  7. vlaurelio

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    BasuraBlanca=Trader_Jorge
     
  8. Deji McGever

    Deji McGever יליד טקסני

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    WHY?!! It's weird that no one outside maybe the liberation theology wing of the Jesuits has ever really addressed it.

    Write a book. You're a smart guy. It would have no problem selling. I can see you on O'Reilly now, defending it...

    :)
     
  9. Tree-Mac

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    Wait, how is this unfair? Are we talking rate, as in percentage of income here? If the CEO and the single mother pay the same amount of tax, then that's bull, but the same rate is as fair as you can get. So what is the complain? That the CEO makes more? Maybe he spent more time in school and is much smarter and works harder than the single mother? Just for that you're going to tax him at a higher rate? :confused: Are you serious? Punish for working harder and being smarter?

    Also, the single mother can get government aid right? I'm no expert in these issues, but it seems so fair to have everyone taxed the same rate.
     
  10. Major

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    I think Palin realized this socialist thing wasn't working too. She's now gone from calling him a liberal to a socialist to a communist:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/25/palin-obamas-tax-plans-co_n_137851.html

    How long before T_J starts calling Obama a communist as well?
     
  11. BetterThanEver

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    Effective tax rate is different from marginal tax rates. There are huge loopholes that allow them make off like bandits. 95% of CEOs get huge tax benefits from being taxed at a 15%. While the regular people get hit by regressive taxes(income+payroll) up to 100k. The higher up in salary pay they go, the lower the % of income that is taxed by payroll taxes.

    They aren't suffering from 50% tax rates like they would have you believe.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/pressRelease/idUS121284+25-Aug-2008+PRN20080825



     
  12. KingCheetah

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    Obama Will Rob Us of the American Dream
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  13. crash5179

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    Piss on your short sighted and very narrow view on what you think is the American dream!

    I have never voted democrat and YES I voted for George W. twice and YES I am voting for Obama this time!

    Count me among the many who are disenchanted with YOUR view of the American dream and take exception to what YOU think happens to hard working American citizens!

    Let me tell YOU about hard working American citizens. I work in an industry that requires dedication, a lot of week end and mid night work. Many of us have sacrificed hours and hours of time with our family and our children that we will never get back because we had a belief that hard work and loyalty WAS the American dream and would be repaid in the form of stability for my family along with the ability to save for retirement and send my children to college.

    While getting rich would be nice the people in my industry really want to just be able to make an honest living and provide for the care of our families.

    Over the last eight years and the last four in particular I saw a 16 year career with a major airline as a mechanic flushed down the drain as the upper 5% (crooks!) of this country took all of their share and most of mine as well. I continued to work my ass off as many of my fellow employees did as oil men like DICK CHENEY and GEORGE BUSH have helped destroy the aviation world by allowing Oil Company’s to make record profits with no consequences.

    On top of that I watched as the upper 5% in my own company secure their own future by cutting my pay and benefits so that they could line their own pockets with pay raises, retention bonuses and bonuses paid for the mental stress of having to make the TOUGH decisions. I sure think they need to be rewarded for having to put so many of their own employees on the streets so they could send OUR JOBS OUT OF THE COUNTRY.

    My last actual pay raise was in 2001. I make 15 thousand dollars a year less right now than I did in 2001. On April 2 of this year I helped close and lock the doors to my second airline in 5 years that either went out of business or stopped doing business in my city.

    Couple that with the fact that my electric bill has doubled since deregulation (that was suppose to make it cheaper). Gas has quadrupled since 2001 (which acts as a fairly substantial pay cut in itself). What used to be a fairly substantial 401K that I thought I could count on for retirement is now non existent.

    So my friend I say to you SCREW YOU and YOUR IDEA of HARDWORKING PEOPLE and you’re so called AMERICAN DREAM.

    SCREW the 5% that has consistently screwed me over the course of the last 8 years.

    SCREW the DAMN REPUBLICANS!

    I never voted for Bill Clinton and I did vote for George W twice. You know what? My quality of life was a lot better and the American Dream seemed a lot more of a reality when Clinton was president.

    During George's eight years it feels as if the American Dream has been yanked out from under my feet like a rug.

    On Tuesday, November 4th I will do something I have never done before, I will vote democrat. I will vote for Obama because I am ready for the upper 5% to pay for a change. I am tired of being the hard working loyal worker (which I have been) that has sacrificed and suffered so the upper 5% has been able to make record profits.

    If I sound bitter that is because I am. Almost all hardworking people I know are bitter at what has happened over the last eight years. Obama will win and it will be a landslide victory because people like me are bitter.
     
  14. Nolen

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    Preach it son!!
     
  15. Nice Rollin

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    great post.... :D
     
  16. ling ling

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    There are many reasons why we are where be are and I understand your frustration. Spraying oil into a fire is not going to put the fire out.

    Many American are suffering just like you. I just want to address the Obama tax plan and how it will hurt you more than it will benefit you.

    Obama wants to raise corporate income tax. On the surface, it sounds good to tax those gready little bxxxx.

    But, when you look at it more closely, Your company's cost of doing business will go up. The cost of your companie's suppliers doing business will go up. Those increases are going to be passed to your company's bottom line. Where to you think the offset for the increase of doing business will come from? Additional decrease in salary, decrease in benefits and/or layoffs?

    Will the $1000 tax redistribution to you offset the losses you will likely see?
     
  17. crash5179

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    The idea of keeping tax low for big business is that they will grow and create more jobs. That is not happening. The corporate chiefs are putting the tax breaks into their pockets at my expense. On top of that they have shipped many of my jobs out of the country.

    You are worried about the cost of business going up? What about when McCain makes his insurance tax. You will loose your company insurance and his little 5000 dollar tax rebate will not come close to covering the difference.

    Like I said in my earlier post...I am tire of crooked big business execs taking the money and giving us the shaft.

    The Republicans had my vote and an 8 year chance and completely blew it. Our econamy is so bad right now it is hard to imagine a true recovery.

    I will not reward the Republican Party for 8 years of historically bad leadership by giving them my vote so they can continue to screw me for another 4 years.

    My vote goes to Obama...period!
     
  18. Rashmon

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    Sounds like the re-education camps will have quite a tough task, but you all will learn to love America again.



    snicker
     
  19. FranchiseBlade

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    That's called the trickle down theory of economics, and it hasn't ever worked and doesn't work.

    Let me tell you why Obama's tax plan will help you. It will put more money in the hands of consumers who will spend it, and increase profits for businesses who will in turn hire more employees and invest in providing better goods and services.

    The wealthiest corporations already make plenty of money. If instead of making 50 billion this year they only make 45 billion, they still have plenty to cover the cost of doing business. It's a stupid argument to pretend like they won't.

    Furthermore, corporations that keep jobs and add new jobs domestically will get tax breaks and incentives under Obama's plan.

    Your theory on giving tax cuts to big businesses and wealthy has been tried the last 8 years, and left us in the mess we are in now. To believe that all of a sudden it will be great is just ridiculous.
     
  20. Landlord Landry

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    yea, pretty much....
     

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