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Obama: Will meet with dictators, but not General Petraeus

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by basso, May 28, 2008.

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  1. A_3PO

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    War is about much more than pride. Using pride to determine the fate of thousands of American troops is so ignorant I don't really know how to express it. Give me a break! The concept known as facts comes into play. At some point this country has to realize the Iraqis will have to put Iraq in order and we don't have the resources to stay indefinitely. Staying longer will merely sacrifice more American lives for no benefit. Who gives a flip about pride? American pride and standing in the world have been destroyed by the Iraq disaster and staying forever won't change that. Regarding "confidence", it was Bush's confidence that got us into Iraq to start with. Facts, logic and reason are 1000 times more valuable than pride and (false) confidence when it comes to being president.

    Secondly, Obama did not say he would withdraw troops "immediately". What he HAS said is that a drawdown would begin in short order and even then he has hedged a few times.
     
    #21 A_3PO, May 28, 2008
  2. FranchiseBlade

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    Again technically you are right, and I should have been more clear. Germany declared on the U.S. prior to entry into combat against them.

    It isn't as the post I was referring to stated that we just took them on. They had declared war on us before we started fighting them. Which is the larger point that I was trying to make.

    I guess it's my own fault for not being more clear.
     
    #22 FranchiseBlade, May 28, 2008
  3. Bandwagoner

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    yeah so when Franchiseblade said before our entry (even though I disagree on the putting germany's declaration before ours when they both came on the 11th) he was totally wrong.
     
    #23 Bandwagoner, May 28, 2008
  4. El_Conquistador

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    Can anyone answer why Obama is unwilling to meet with Petraeus?

    How can he LEAD the military if he is afraid/unwilling to meet with its leaders? Makes no sense to me.
     
    #24 El_Conquistador, May 28, 2008
  5. FranchiseBlade

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    I wasn't totally wrong. I was technically wrong. Given the conversation and the point I was trying to refute, what I said makes perfect sense even if it wasn't clear what I meant in my original post.
     
    #25 FranchiseBlade, May 28, 2008
  6. Bandwagoner

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    well this clarification is also wrong.

     
    #26 Bandwagoner, May 28, 2008
  7. FranchiseBlade

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    That isn't the U.S. entering into combat. That is some ambush shooting, and orders to defend ourselves.


    Though I didn't know we had 11 casualties at that point. I knew about the attacks, but didn't know what the casualties were. I'll admit that, and I should have known.
     
    #27 FranchiseBlade, May 28, 2008
  8. Deckard

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    I guess I'm missing something here. Rimrocker explained the timeline. What does any of this have to do with Senator Obama and Iraq? Are we fighting WWII again?



    Impeach Bush.
     
    #28 Deckard, May 28, 2008
  9. Bandwagoner

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    well I just pointed out to Franchise blade he made a mistake on something, he admitted it and then clarified, that was also wrong and I am attempting to correct that.
     
    #29 Bandwagoner, May 28, 2008
  10. Bandwagoner

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    I consider an order of a president to shoot on sight of any German ship to mean we are at combat.
     
    #30 Bandwagoner, May 28, 2008
  11. SWTsig

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    AH-HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    that's like saying if you love cows go work at mcdonalds.
     
    #31 SWTsig, May 28, 2008
  12. Bandwagoner

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    love cows as a food or an investment?
     
    #32 Bandwagoner, May 28, 2008
  13. ROXRAN

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    Absolutely...and this situation is *sigh*...just another checkmark, after checkmark against him to me...
     
    #33 ROXRAN, May 28, 2008
  14. Mr.Scarface

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    Just because SOME IDIOT Seviceman with an agenda says Obama wont meet with the General.....doesn't make it true.
     
    #34 Mr.Scarface, May 28, 2008
  15. mc mark

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    President Obama will choose the military officers he deems appropriate to meet with because that's what presidents do thank you very much!
     
    #35 mc mark, May 28, 2008
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    That he is not currently the leader of the U.S. military might have something to do with it. Petraeus has a job to do and he's doing it well. What would Obama have to discuss with him, exactly?
     
    #36 lpbman, May 28, 2008
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    McCain campaign is in a dilemma due to the above ad. Let's see if McCain will be true to his word.
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    Updated: Lieberman & Graham Serve on Policy Board of Advisors for an Anti-Obama 527
    by Steven R
    Sun May 25, 2008 at 12:23:19 PM PDT

    This runs directly contradictory to Senator John McCain's policy to remove any persons from his campaign who work openly with or for any 527 Organizations.

    Vets for Freedom Policy Board of Advisors
    Senator Joe Lieberman (ID-CT), Honorary
    Senator Lindsey Graham (R-SC), Honorary

    This is a Smear Group using an Injured Vet openly in a slime commercial accusing Barack Obama directly of not meeting with veterans while wanting to meet with people who "Hate" America.

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/5/25/15634/4792/133/522607
     
    #37 glynch, May 28, 2008
  18. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    When did Obama say he wouldn't meet with General Petraeus?
     
    #38 Sweet Lou 4 2, May 28, 2008
  19. bigtexxx

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    So the troops are IDIOTS in the eyes of the latte liberal Obama supporters. Got it.

    :rolleyes:
     
    #39 bigtexxx, May 28, 2008
  20. Deckard

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    Lieberman was our VP candidate in 2000? Unbelievable. Could Gore have possibly made a worse choice?




    Impeach Bush. Hurry!
     
    #40 Deckard, May 28, 2008
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