Eh? Only 2 weeks of vacation a year for professionals? Speaking for myself, I get 48 hours of flat vacation per year (6 days), 24 sick hours (3 days), and accure 3 hours of vacation per pay period (72 hours, or 9 days). So, theoretically, that's 18 work days off, or more than 3.5 weeks. Of course, this is in favor of your argument. You get 2 extra weeks off, but I'm sure you pull longer days. I respect how much a grade school teacher works relative to how much they get paid.
I do too, I think they are underpaid....said that a LOT...but I prefer a scheme that rewards the better teachers......for performance. DD
What performance metrics are there, though? Test scores? Time spent with the kids? Votes for "Teacher of the Year"? I can't think of any accurate metric that could promote transparent salary advancement. Every metric I can come up with seems circumstantial at best.
That is above my pay scale.... But someone has figured it out in all the other professions I am sure they can figure it out in teaching as well. DD
I am very good at asset management, that is true, but not the King, more like the Duke. Don't hate because you don't understand. DD
new yorker? i looked up the teacher pay schedule for indian prairie isd http://www.ipsd.org/hr_forms.asp - 6th one down - "Teacher Salary Schedules: 2006-2009" would you mind showing me your $120k figure on the chart? the only one cracking $100k is a phd w/ 23 years experience.
Nope... as a former teacher, and living in a family full of teachers, I can tell you that DD is correct
I think we are all talking about different school districts, some may be more lenient than others etc. i can tell you I have been truthful in my experiences, but those were more than 20 years ago.... DD
No, I am not a New Yorker..... Chicago, it is part of Naperville, a suburb outside of Chicago. I asked, my neighbor, she said she makes $103,000 and not $120,000. So I was mistaken. Although it is possible to make that much with extracurricular activities. Also, she is able to pick her daughter up from school every day at 4 pm.
I'm at school at 7:00 every day. Classes let out at 3:00 (well, 2:45 plus time to load up buses and send them on their way). After school, there are, indeed, extracurricular activities, but they are only extracurricular for the students: for me, they are part of the job I was hired and am paid to do. Factor in an hour for extra curriculars (and that's being generous. Many last longer than that), and at least an hour of lesson planning for the next day, and you get an idea of what a teacher's job entails. No, but at least 3 days a week. Plus, many times, your conference period is spent calling parents, writing letters to parents, following up on contact with parents, meeting with administration, meeting with ARD coodinators, meeting with SPED, etc. It's called a conference period for a reason. So your not saying I'm a liar, just that I'm lying. Ok... I admit I'm reactionary, but when I say that this is my schedule, and another poster on the BBS has backed up that teachers do, indeed, work schedules like this, why is it so hard to believe? FACT: I'm at school at 7:00 in the morning every day. FACT: I'm at school until at least 5:00 pm every day (usually more like 6pm). Seems to me that's 10 hours minimum. Every. Day. Not spin. Not exaggeration. Fact. I'm not ignoring the perks. I'm just saying they come with a heavy downside: a very difficult job, with very long hours, for a relatively low pay. Take away that one perk (to which the original post in this article is hinting) and teaching becomes an even more daunting prospect to face. Look, I'm not asking for sympathy. I know I could work another job if I chose. But I like teaching. I enjoy what I do. And I'm darn good at it. It just bothers me when people say what I do is easy, or lump all teachers together as unqualified, easily replaceable mouth-breathers. Sure, there are some like that. But you've got to be careful how you generalize a profession. I was waiting for someone to notice that. Actually, I'm out sick today. But thanks for noticing.
Ok, but in all honesty would you say you are the exception or the rule? Because it sounds like you do way more than most. And with that kind of dedication you could make a lot more in other fields.....imo. Arriving early, staying late every day. DD
Some people love to teach, DD. You know... they like what they do. They might not like how they are treated, or the pay they make, but they like the profession. Yes, lots of teachers and professors could make more in the private sector. Instead, they choose to teach, and we are all better off for it. Would you rather have those who could make more money doing something other than teaching do just that? You really want those people taken out of the teacher pool at the local school or university? I sure as hell don't. That was a glib thing to say, DD.
I think that teaching has changed since many of us were in school. The demands the students have are different. Some of the old school teachers do not put in the hours. But as the school populations change and new studies about effective teaching and training come into play more and more teachers are putting in the kind of hours we are talking about here. The demands also change depending on the population of the school.
Perhaps, but I think if there was a mass exodus maybe the powers that be would have to act and improve upon it. I think teaching is awesome, there are several teachers I can recall that had a major impact on my life. DD
i didnt ask if you were a new yorker, i asked if you were new yorker. yall have a similar posting style. i find that hard to believe, based on indian prairie isd's teacher pay schedule. and this is what you said in post #9... that is clearly not the case - http://www.ipsd.org/hr_forms.asp again, the only teacher in your school district making over $100k in the 2008-2009 school year was a phd w/ 23 years experience ($100,908 to be exact). so your neighbor with 10 years experience is making more than the highest on the pay schedule simply by doing 'extracurricular activities'? i find that very hard to believe.
No, you are wrong again. I am born and raised in Texas. Moved to Chicago a few years ago. Nothing to do with NY other than a few jury trials. If you look at the same site, there is an area that discusses overtime. As a pep rally supervisor she gets 1.5 overtime. I know quite a bit about it, as my sister nearly taught there and was vetted. Reall? Thank you for pointing it out, now see my reply to your last comment. See my answers above, yes she does make over $100,000 a year. Then again she is not lazy, and works extra-curricular activities and is a lunch monitor. She will freely admit, not a bad gig.
