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Obama tries to sabotage and delay troop withdrawals in Iraq so he can take credit

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by El_Conquistador, Sep 15, 2008.

  1. El_Conquistador

    El_Conquistador King of the D&D, The Legend, #1 Ranking

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    Giddyup -- I expected this type of knee-jerk response from the clueless, uninformed libs when their messiah was threatened.

    This is a clear cut example of Obama's arrogance and selfishness, yet they can't admit it. Mr. Hopeymakechangey has them under his spell. Man, I'm glad I'm not as gullible as the Obamatrons....
     
  2. mc mark

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    Here TJ

    I'll post it again in case you missed it the first and second time.

     
  3. Rocketman95

    Rocketman95 Hangout Boy

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    Why mark?
     
  4. El_Conquistador

    El_Conquistador King of the D&D, The Legend, #1 Ranking

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    That is a selfish concern, mcmark, expressed by Obama, and it also is illegal for him to attempt to negotiate on the US' behalf. He has NO authority to do so. Any other characterization of that event is spin.

    RM95 -- When we want your opinion on politics -- we'll ask. You are better equipped to opine on what's in your CD player or the latest DMB concert you attended. We'll just leave it at that.
     
  5. mc mark

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    No one is negotiating. He asked a question (which apparently the Iraqi government agrees with)

    "The foreign minister agreed that the next administration should not be bound by an agreement that's currently made."
     
  6. El_Conquistador

    El_Conquistador King of the D&D, The Legend, #1 Ranking

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    That is simply not a defense, mcmark. His goal was to delay progress in Iraq. His motive for doing that was to be able to take credit for pulling troops out, IF he was elected president. He was attempting to influence American foreign policy -- and that act alone is illegal. That undermines the efforts of our leaders and our troops, and it endangers them. It's another in a string of selfish acts (Landstuhl and ignoring Afghanistan) that reflect poorly on Obama's character.

    He had no right to try to negotiate on America's behalf, and he did not put his country first (he never has). What does that say about your candidate? To me, it's a pretty clear indication that he's all about his own selfish ambitions and is willing to trade disaster in Iraq for his own political interests. That's just not right. It's not leadership or patriotism.
     
  7. B-Bob

    B-Bob "94-year-old self-described dreamer"
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    fixed. YWIA.
     
  8. mc mark

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    After the last 6 years of your pimping for that war criminal George Bush, I'll take no lectures from you in regards for the motives of the democratic candidate.

    GOOD DAY
     
  9. stephen94

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    Why does it seem that everyone that is supporting McCain is either an idiot, racist, or ignorant fool that lives under a rock?
     
  10. rimrocker

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    That's not at all the case. It's just that for some of the more vocal supporters your characterization applies.

    Wait. I take that back. I don't think it applies to McCain supporters, but it does apply to people against Obama.
     
  11. giddyup

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    What you cited is not a question, i.e. no question mark.
     
    #31 giddyup, Sep 15, 2008
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    I started to reply, then I had to go to the bathroom really bad. Afterwards, I felt all relieved, and forgot what I was going to say. I guess the crap piling up in my system was what was pushing out my reply.

    I'll probably remember later after dinner.
     
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    Then Ronald Reagan must have also been selfish, of bad character, and unpatriotic.
     
  14. giddyup

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    I smell the aroma of elitism burning in the evening... :eek:
     
  15. giddyup

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    Has someone been spoon-feeding you those Dem talking points again?
     
  16. bigtexxx

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    It doesn't surprise me at all that Obama would put his own selfish ambitions above his country. He is not fit to lead. Just a reminder - he's never led a damn thing in his life.
     
  17. CometsWin

    CometsWin Breaker Breaker One Nine

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    Errr... what UN resolution called for the invasion of Iraq? I missed that one.



    The United Nations secretary general, Kofi Annan, declared explicitly for the first time last night that the US-led war on Iraq was illegal.
    Mr Annan said that the invasion was not sanctioned by the UN security council or in accordance with the UN's founding charter. In an interview with the BBC World Service broadcast last night, he was asked outright if the war was illegal. He replied: "Yes, if you wish."

    He then added unequivocally: "I have indicated it was not in conformity with the UN charter. From our point of view and from the charter point of view it was illegal."


    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2004/sep/16/iraq.iraq
     
  18. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    why do you even bother? i mean, this is such a stupid thread - didn't i teach you that tj's threads are like asking if a monkey would be better than palin - and most people said a monkey would be better. so how is it that anyone cares about these kinds of threads.

    i mean, mccain picked palin just to win an election - heaven forbid he dies and leaves the country in the hands of someone who knows nothing about the world, the economy, the military, heath care, private business, or science. i guess she does know something about creating deficits and getting ear marks. she'll probably pick all her friends from alaska to fill her cabinet, and require all of us to learn how to hunt mooses.

    seriously, this is ridiculous.


    so here's a proposal - never reply to a tj posted thread. just ignore it, and guess what - he'll stop posting.

    don't be fools - don't play his games - i'm telling you folks, i understand his game, i use to play it, i was newyorker, i know what he does. why is he so successful at getting your goat?

    amazing. in a way, i have to tip my hat to tj. i never could continously get people upset like tj does. never ever. he's a master at rubbing so many the wrong way. taking the piss out of liberals is his favorite pastime.
     
  19. dandorotik

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    First of all, I hope you don't think you're actually going to persuade anyone to see your side of things, do you? For the record, I'm a moderate, in-between, non-party affiliated, whatever the hell you want to call it. I don't like labels, anyways- I'm a person, let's leave it at that. Sometimes, I honestly want to read what you post and maybe give it some degree of credence- but you're so strongly biased against one candidate that I can't see anyone wanting to agree with you even if they think you might be right.

    Your opinion can't be trusted because you do not present both sides fairly. Again, this is coming from someone who sees positive and negative qualities in both McCain and Obama. Yes, I do lean more towards one, but not by much. I'm sure you get respect for the time you spend posting in here, but it would be really nice if you could present things a little more objectively for people like me who are on the fence. So, maybe if you just try, you'll get better at this.

    Now, second, who the hell are you to tell anyone "we" don't want to hear their opinion? I'd much rather hear what RM95 has to say on politics than you, you blowhard. His posts are fine- yours are irritating because half the time, you have to rely on the news (or more likely op-ed articles that you qualify as objective news) rather than your own cogent argument to prove a point, and for the other half, when you do have a good post, you have to insult others to make your point or brag about having a luxury car during the middle of a hurricane. For God's sakes, learn to debate/argue properly- we learned about fallacies back in 10th grade- did you not retain this information?

    :cool:
     
  20. IROC it

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    Who does he think he is? Ronald Reagan? Carter should get the credit! ;)




    :rolleyes:
     

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