Compared to who? Kucinich? Progressive is a relativistic term and while Clinton, Emanuel and Biden are hawks in a few respects they are certainly much more progressive on most issues than anyone currently serving in a top position in the current Admin.. Also if your basis of progressiveness is foreign policy then Obama himself isn't progressive as his position on Pakistan was more hawkish than Clinton's. Plus he voted to allow the NSA to bypass FISA for wiretaps unlike Clinton who voted against that bill so that would mean he is less of a progressive than Clinton.
that conservative complaining about obama's cabinet not being progressive is beyond ridiculous. you'd think they would appreciate the center left leaning considering they were calling him a socialist during the election, but this whole, "see progressives, you didn't get what you want" issue is downright childish.
give me a break. compared to powell or clark or powers or jim baker. obviously. that doesn't mean they are progressive. why wouldn't that be my basis for someone like clinton? also rahm's going to be the most powerful chief of staff in history. i think his views on foreign policy would be critical. and yes i am upset about obama on fisa. however, again, clinton is SoS, so her vote on domestic matters isn't too relevant.
Remember this: People called John the Baptist "demon-possessed" because he fasted and didn't drink. But when Jesus ate and drank, the same people called him a glutton and drunkard. My illustration: A dog behind a fence will bark the same way when people walk by, no matter how tall/short, ugly/pretty, good/bad they are. To some people like basso and the right-wing pundits, Obama loses no matter what he does. He can't do anything to please them because they whine whatever side he takes and will find fault with whatever he does. The ultimate nonsense is for them to criticize Obama for not being left-wing. In case there is any confusion, I'm comparing some of Obama's detractors to the continual barking dog.
Here is maybe a different view. The wingnuts are afraid of what Obama said he would do, but for the most part didn't like what has been happening in our country anymore than the liberal pansys. So we lose, but, there is some hope in "Change". Right now the way things look, we lost (which sucks but McCain scared me almost as much as Obama), and we aren't even going to see the promised "Change". I agree that it's silly to be upset for Obama being more moderate in his selections (I'm not upset FYI) but he can do that with different people too. That would be "Change", this feels like recycling only not the green kind. Remember Obama ran on Change we can believe in. The wingnuts don't believe and now there are questions about "Change" of course it will be brought up.
the funny thing about this response is the whole purpose of bible stories is to learn a lesson for real life i hope you're being sarcastic
okierock, valid point, but he hasn't even taken office yet. The election was 20 days ago. Nothing has happened so far to make me think huge changes aren't coming up. I don't understand how anyone can see otherwise. Obama will be the anti-Bush. Whether he's a good president or not, we'll see.
He is the president elect and these are his first actions and decisions, they are the beginnings of his presidency. I think he is a smart guy who understands that he has some experience limitations and is getting some experienced people in place. I think he also understands that the american people as a whole are not left or right but more to the center. The left and right arguments are meant to polarize people and get them to pick a side during an election but things are accomplished in the center.
I think he's a really smart guy who realizes the scope of the problem and understands ha better have really good people helping him deal with this massive pile of crap he's inheriting.
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Correct. Obama never claimed to be a far left progressive. Others claimed that about him. Obama has said all along he could and would work with people from all spectrums of politics. He's keeping true to his word.
exactly, that's the freakin irony, the people like basso are steady b****ing that obama won't reach across the ailse like he claims and then he claims he isn't being progressive its going to be a great 4 years hearing these guys complain about everything.
Yeah it's strange. Furthermore people are claiming that he's going back on his change mantra because of this. But working with people who have different viewpoints is a HUMUNGOUS change from what we've had the past 8 years.
They're children. They govern like 2nd graders, base their foreign policy on the rules of the elementary school playground, and bring a simple uninformed opinion to every complex problem. And then there's the whining. I don't think their mommas ever made them go through the transition from infancy where everything is about you to childhood where you have to live with and respect others.
It's very strange what's been happening with this thread, and idea. It shows that some folks haven't been paying attention. Here's a little recap. Obama: I will work with everyone, including conservatives, moderates, and progressives. Rightwingers: Obama is a socialist who wants us to lose in Iraq. Obama: I will consult with generals and we aren't talking about losing in Iraq. That's ridiculous. (Obama wins and proceeds to follow through with his pledge to bring about change and work with people with a wide range of political views) Rightwingers: Well well well, Obama supporters, your precious savior isn't appointing 100% extreme liberal conservatives to his staff. How do you feel now that you've been betrayed? Obama supporters: What? He hasn't done anything differently than he said he would. Curtain The problem is that the Obama detractors in this thread listened and believed the hype that he was a socialist and thus wonder why his supporters don't feel betrayed. The supporters actually listened to what Obama himself had to say and didn't believe the hype.
