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Obama to Cave to GOP and Cut Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by glynch, Jul 7, 2011.

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  1. glynch

    glynch Member

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    Interesting. Might have to change the Constituion.

    Of course it is difficult to change the S. Ct. to keep wealthy individuals and corporations from buying elections and poltiicians-- the libertarian way.
     
    #181 glynch, Jul 21, 2011
  2. rocketsjudoka

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    While on many legislative issues neither Clinton or Obama have pleased liberals but you have to consider the totality of their presidencies. Consider who Clinton and Obama have appointed to the USSC versus GW Bush. Also while both have had difficulty in Congress and have been forced to compromise a lot of things they did in the executive were very different than what the GW Bush Admin. did especially regarding regulation.

    Legislative accomplishments are very important but they aren't all that being president is about.
     
    #182 rocketsjudoka, Jul 21, 2011
  3. rocketsjudoka

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    The Founders predicted that and even intended the House to pander to the electorate. That is why they set up the Senate with 6 year terms.
     
    #183 rocketsjudoka, Jul 21, 2011
  4. GladiatoRowdy

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    They only have two years to get re-elected.
     
    #184 GladiatoRowdy, Jul 21, 2011
  5. glynch

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    Obama is still negotiating against himself-- or more specifically against the poor and middle class. Hopefully enough Dems oppose Obama to stop him.

    He is still retreating. Desperate for his "big" i.e bad deal.

    I think he is a sort of megalomanical, who believes he is more important than all the Democratic Party collectively and historically. In terms of the Democratic Party Obama is a Trojan Horse for the Corporations.

    Interesting that Dubya was very to the right of what he ran on his first term. Now it seems so is Obama.
     
    #185 glynch, Jul 21, 2011
  6. glynch

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    Good post from the Daily Kos.
    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/...,-then-expect-many-to-CAVE-ON-YOU?via=siderec

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    Many are sitting here shocked that a Democratic President, Barack Obama is freely and willing to cut benefits from Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid. Programs that the public PAYS INTO from their taxes. Again, let me repeat, a program people PAY INTO with their taxes. These are not welfare programs but taxpayers programs.

    Let's be clear. President Obama is in trouble of his own making. This country is in trouble fiscally because of the UNPAID Medicare D program. This country is in trouble because of the UNPAID Bush/Obama tax cuts. This country is in trouble because of the ongoing WARS, 10 years and counting going on in Afghanistan and Iraq. This country is in trouble because of mismanagement from POLITICIANS who have not been responsible.

    Sorry, President Obama. You had the choice to stop the Medicare D program, but caved on it with a deal with Big Pharma. You told us on the campaign trail that you would fight for us to negoitiate with other countries for lower prescription drug costs, but caved. You did that.

    Sorry, President Obama. You had the CHOICE to end the Bush Tax Cuts. You had the chance, but again, you allowed the GOP to put you in a box by stating they would not extend unemployment benefits. Instead of FIGHTING and going to the American Public for the fight, you just caved and went along to get along. And guess what???? The Bush/Obama Rich Folk Tax Cuts are not helping you now and PART of the deficit in this country. Remember, you did that.

    Sorry, President Obama. Two wars going on. 2 billion being spent a WEEK for nation building in countries that many don't give 2 ****s about has put us in the position we are in. Yes, you walked into a disaster, but you sure are not getting out any time soon. In fact, with all this "CUT TALK" when are we going to have a REAL TALK on cutting the massive defense budget that is DRAINING THIS COUNTRY. No, we can't have that talk, but you want to just cut safety nets from millions of Americans who depend on it? This move is not only selfish but shocking coming from a Democratic President.

    If this is about Independent Voters, I would like to see polling from them and how they feel about their Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid being cut. I just have a hunch, they would not be down for that type of cutting either.
     
    #186 glynch, Jul 21, 2011
  7. langal

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    I wonder how long the "election cycle" was back then.
     
    #187 langal, Jul 22, 2011
  8. B-Bob

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    Not really. The person sounds just like you, and by that, I mean someone totally unwilling to live in American Reality. Obama has to put on his big boy pants and try to get things done every day, while we can post on the internet.

    I think he's made some significant tactical mistakes, but:
    * he's being almost exactly who he said he would be, a centrist pragmatist.
    * charges like "megalomaniacal" say a lot more about your ability to critique a complex political situation than they do the president.

    But no, glynch, you and the far left part of Daily Kos are probably correct: I'm sure Kucinich would have struck a very progressive deal with the tea partiers in the house of representatives by now. Uh, yeah. Derp.
     
    #188 B-Bob, Jul 22, 2011
  9. CrazyDave

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    Some say that putting these things on the table is a test of the Republican resolve to honor the norquist pledge in the face of something they would normally dearly like to obtain, namely cuts in 'entitlements,' in an agreement that would include the "new" taxes (which Norquist himself now says technically are not a tax increase).

    As pgabriel posted in his thread today, it appears Norquist is now trying to back peddle and 180° on the stance he took earlier, saying they wouldn't hold it against someone who voted for the expiration of the bush era cuts as part of a deal to raise the debt ceiling... a far cry from his initial rhetoric.

    I'd like to think that Obama did this to show how out of touch they are, that they wouldn't even accept something they dearly want in order to continue towing the line, and that he knew they would not accept this as a compromise no matter how enticing it was... but sadly I think he is ready to just go too far in his compromise and is thinking that this is somehow a win win scenario for him, whether they accept or not. I'm not sure being the one who put those things on the table is going to be a 'win' for him, no matter what they decide. I had rather hoped they'd continue with their inflexible and unproductive bull, and that afterwards he'd raise the limit without concessions or their consent, and let the courts fight it out after the fact as to whether or not that is an acceptable course in the future.

    Norquist was on TV last week denouncing exactly what today he says would be acceptable, and I'm guessing that might be all it will take for the freshmen to feel they've been let off the hook.
     
    #189 CrazyDave, Jul 22, 2011
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