I think that a women's body is her own business....and you are trying to find a way to make it a political statement to fit your narrow minded views. The problem is that it is a vicious circle. Answer me this, why do so many pro lifers also believe in the death penalty? DD
Yes.. Not only do I think they do - I KNOW they do. I know these lawyers. They all believe very strongly in Griswold and Roe, and are generally NOT compensated handsomely, or, at all, because of it. Stop. Just stop. It's not working out.
That is wrong- they should be charged with 1 count of murder. Hey, it's just one of these things in which you cannot say that terminating a pregnancy and killing a person is the same thing. Distinct differences. Men are not the ones giving birth, women are. Therefore, do men deserve to have a say in the passing of abortion laws? Maybe, but more likely no. Yeah, I know that the man was 50% responsible, but the woman is the one who is pregnant and, like it or not, it complicates the matter. I do believe that there are some issues which hold a large enough majority of agreement, such as killing a person, stealing, arson, rape, assault, etc. But the termination of a pregnancy/abortion is not the same- otherwise, it would not be as heavily debated and discussed as it is. Maybe it would be better if it were more clearcut- I guess my heart and soul tells me that the mother should not terminate the pregnancy and at least allow for its success. But the woman gives birth, the fetus is a part of the woman's body, and a fetus and a baby are not the same thing, in many different ways. So it is not a clearcut situation where you can say Obama is a pig on the issue, not unless you're completely dismissing the other side. I really feel I'm completely torn on the abortion issue. Is it a baby or a part of the woman? Is it a living thing? Is it murder? I can certainly see why some believe that. But there are enough discrepancies and uncertainties that, if you are as I am 50/50 on the right/wrong of abortion, or even if you are 90% certain that abortion is wrong but 10% says you are not sure, then you have no choice but to leave this to the decision of the woman.
Unfortunately, that's an easy one. The fetus has no choice in the decision- the murderer does. The unborn baby should be allowed the chance to live, the murderer should be executed to prevent him (yes, I can say him when the large majority of murderers are men) from taking more lives. Not saying I agree, just the way I've heard it argued about.
Thanks for guiding me to the relevant portions of your plan. The weird thing is each section you cited has the following footnotes: 2.1.1.23.a ling ling is *****ing idiot. 3.2.5.2.1.c1 why are you bothering to answer him? 234.23.12.3.42 Just put ling ling on ignore. 123.5.13.141 Seriously, he doesn't understand any issues and would rather talk ***** about Obama than help anyone. If the Constitution was on fire, he would use the last bucket of water on earth to waterboard Obama. 234.1.3.32.5 See 123.5.13.141 because the same goes for Trader_Jorge, basso, Landlord Landry, etc.
I have an opinion to share about the 'religious right' As a pastor, I have only preached one sermon that mentioned abortion about 15 yrs ago and the topic was loving children not fighting against abortion. I have never and would never use the word- murder- when talking with a woman in this very difficult position or with a woman who has had an abortion. I don't agree with the crusading way some pastors treat this issue as if all supporters are wicked beasts and a woman who has an abortion is nothing more than a wicked murderer. That was not my intention in using that word. I thought about that word before I posted, it is a very strong word. I know my responsiblity even typing it. The reason I don't preach on abortion is because I try hard to spend my time caring and helping (in other words doing something) not telling people what big ugly sinners they are. I don't shy away from sharing my beliefs, I try to do it appropriately and in this one issue I feel strongly enough to speak seriously on this forum. I don't apologize for loving unborn children as much as newborn children. If anyone read the post who has had an abortion I offer several women in our church who can better explain who I am, and what I feel for those who have had abortions- email me. I respect the opinions of those who favor abortion. I don't think it means they hate newborn children or they are accomplice to murder. I don't agree with them, but I'm not for fighting people. I am very anti abortion and very anti condemning women. I wish I could save every baby. I do not respect the doctors who perform abortions, that is another issue. Edit- Just to clarify, just because I don't preach sermons on abortion, doesn't mean that I don't communicate to people about the subject. I do, but I prefer to discuss it rather than preach it. Just how I handle it. It is an explosive subject.
You're just a cold, cold b*stard XD ...At least you're free from logical fallacies though, unlike money-grabbing people who are staunch Christians and pro-lifers who frown upon all government regulation, except for those dealing with the most intimate details of our lives.
You do realize that the VAST majority of abortions occur during the first trimester, right? Why do you insist on focusing on the tiniest fraction of pregnancy terminations? You've made emotional arguments about rare procedures in almost every one of your posts in this thread, but have hardly adressed the real meat of the issue.
you know what DD, I wrote out a long ass reply, but forget it. I respect your belief in a womans body being her business, seriously, I do. but, I just wish you could find the same understanding for the babies body. I think that child has every right to life as the woman does. Read the Freedom of Choice Act. Just google it and scan it bro, it's more hanus than the Patriot Act, and just think, Obama still has the Fairness Doctrine up his sleeve. We're in for a real ride......... Is it okay if I pray for you? or will I just be a wingnut? Goodnight DD. LL.
I respect your views too, I just don't want them pushed off on anyone else. Of course you can, I would be honored. Night. DD
perhaps, but without support from politicians like Obama and Boxer, their organizations don't exsist. what's not working? you're condenscending demeanor? don't worry fisher, it will kick in any moment.
So, then, essentially, you are against birth control as well. Because the end result of not using birth control can be an unborn baby, doesn't that baby have the right to have the opportunity for life? I'm not being sarcastic, my point is that one can almost make an argument for that. For the record, I am a firm supporter of birth control. I am a halfway support of pro-life. And I'm a halfway supporter of pro-choice. By my wife and I using birth control, I was led to believe that this was wrong, that we were preventing a potential child from entering into the world. Basically, we were practicing a form of abortion.
I have insisted on all forms of abortions, but the last few post have been considerably more focused on partial birth because it will become legal when the Freedom of Choice Act is signed, and there is no telling how many will be committed on a daily basis. Actually, there is no telling how many are committed now, even though it's a federal offense. It's a truely hanus procedure. Obama will sign the Freedom of Choice Act, thats the real meat, partial birth abortions are just the begining of the disgust it brings. It's literally a slap in the face to every state, local and federal law that has been passed in the last 25 years on abortion.
Let's just wait to see what happens, he has not even won the Presidency yet...why worry about things out of your control? DD
I'm conflicted about this. In the past I would have easily agreed. However, how would you feel about an abortion in week 39? A baby is full-term in week 37. I choose that extreme because if you consider an unborn baby (and unborn can mean anytime from conception until the actual birth right?) as abortable then I would hope this extreme example would give you pause. If it doesn't give you pause then I believe that is telling. And if it does give you pause then how far back in the gestation period would it take for you to be okay with abortion? And science has been known to be able to keep a live babies that were only around 22-weeks along. That is my conundrum. I don't think it's a simple matter of it's not my business. How would feel if someone came up and punched your pregnant wife in the stomach (and killed the baby) one week before she was scheduled for delivery? Simple charge of assault and battery?
"That's above my pay-grade level." On a serious note, it's not hopelessly vague because what I said is absolutely true. No woman has ever given birth to a chicken breast, a Nerf ball, a toaster or a Wii but if left alone and sustained and nurtured a human child is born. Everytime. People want to , without certain authority, try to define the moment of humanity to serve their own purposes, i.e. abortion privileges.
You are forgetting what constitutues the government... it's the people. Why is there so little concern for this particular stage of innocent life except that it is "easier" to not feel guilty when you rid yourself of it.
