You should be ashamed that you are willing to force your own personal moral code on women who do not believe the same way you do.
It is interesting to me that the abortions that the pro-lifers rail about the most (late term) comprise 0.00625% of all abortions. We are talking about a total of about 100 per year, and we don't even have numbers about how many of those were performed to protect the life of the mother (I suspect that this is the case for 75 or more of that 100). I would be perfectly OK banning late term abortions, but it just doesn't seem to me like it should be an issue when we are talking about 0.00625% of the abortions performed.
I don't think their lack of volume makes it any less offensive to me. I'm happy there aren't more of these, to be sure.
It's the case for 0 of the 100. The mother would be dead if a baby went that far in while in the Fallopian tubes. But it doesn't change the argument for pro-lifers that most abortions are done within the first trimester. Calling it a surgery is callous man, this isn't surgery. Scientifically, how can you not define the fetus/blastosphere/embryo as living? It meets every single criteria to be a living organism. From Wiki: In biology, an organism is a living thing (such as animal, plant, fungus, or micro-organism). In at least some form, all organisms are capable of reacting to stimuli, reproduction, growth and maintenance as a stable whole. To call it surgery is imprecise. You guys are making 3 arguments really: 1) Women has a legal right to abortion 2) It is a surgical procedure of something that is not living/human 3) It is a termination of a living human organism that is justified since that organism is in early stages of development. Argument 3 is the only one that isn't dishonest. No one has really advocated it though because it sounds cruel. As a pro-lifer, I disagree that it is justified. That's what the debate is about.
I'd rather "force" my moral code on someone who is responsible for their actions and is seeking to erase their mistake than on an innocent child like you do. HUBRIS indeed.
I admit to getting over-heated now and then and will throw that term out in frustration, but do you really think I'd marry a double-murderer?
Then stop using that word to describe people like your wife who made what was probably the most difficult decision of their lives.
I never used that word to describe my ex- wife. I seldom use it and when I do it's on someone like you with your foolish arrogance about what is and is not life in the context of ending it... and you can't know for certain; you know that. I didn't know my ex-wife when she made those "choices" but I knew her for more than a decade of our marriage and I knew too well the deep remorse she had about making those "choices--" boy does that sound innocuous. Saving those baby's lives would have saved her a lot of grief as well... who'd a thunk it. So I'll take Andy's scorn and scolding of the positions I hold due to the reality I've experienced. It's fairly common place, I understand.
Going into someone's body with medical instruments as is done during an abortion is a surgical procedure. You may find the truth callous, but it is still the truth. If you would like to use scientific definitions and language, I will refer to a parasite, which is an organism and is also living. I fully agree that it is hard to think of a human fetus as a parasite, however, to the woman who does not want to bring a fetus to term and bear it, that is the closest analogy that exists. No, it is 100% accurate. This is the only argument I am making. I never said or implied anything about humanity or living status. However, it is indisputably surgery. ...and because the woman does not want it to come to term in her womb. That is her choice. Yes, it is, you are allowed to disagree about abortion being justified, but you are not allowed to force your personal values and morality on a woman who does not share them.
Wow. I wouldn't think a law student would make such a transparent argument from ignorance as this. Putting aside mental health questions (which are certainly relevant), there are many health risks associated with late-term pregnancy. What a stupid thing to say. What? How is it not a surgery? Nobody ever said that a fetus is non-living. That completely misses the point. You're still missing the point and fighting with straw men. The problem with this debate is that the relevant questions don't have precice answers, and reasonable people often disagree on what those answers may be. Is a fetus a human organism? Everyone knows it's living, but is it human? Does a woman have a right to decide what can and can't grow insider her body? Are some lives more important than others? Which ones? This may be a tough question for some people to accpet, but we make these sorts of judgments all the time. These are legitimate questions that you can't just sweep under the rug. Disagreement is fine, but making appeals to emotion poisons the debate.
I don't force my moral code on anyone. I advocate for everyone to follow their own moral code in making their own choices, particularly with what goes on in their bodies. I would never force someone to have an abortion, but I am not so egotistical as to believe that everyone should follow the moral code that I have. Everyone has their own relationship with God, stop trying to force yours on other people.
You are implicitly forcing your moral code on the young girl being aborted by her mother. I have said not one word about God in my defense of Life; it's simply Compassionate Pragmatism. I know you're not stupid, so why do you keep mis-representing my POV. If we agree that murder is wrong, is it egotistical to believe that everyone should follow the moral code that leads us to that law? C'mon... you're just taking cheap shots without using your brain.
Murder is a legal term. Killing is not. A parasite is very different from a child in utero because the mother's body naturally adapts to the new life within it while a true parasite just grabs ahold of its host and hangs on.
Parasites can live in a host and not just on it. Anytime a parasite is introduced on or into a body, we adapt.
A fetus does not have the capacity to even have a moral code, thus it is up to us to support the mother's, which I do. I do talk about God in my defense of Choice. It is a necessary part of the equation for me and has nothing to do with you. Murder is wrong and 99.9999 percent of Americans would say the same thing. That is simply not the case for abortion and yes, it is egotistical to believe that your moral code is so correct that it should override what someone else believes. It is the height of hubris to believe so much that you are right and others are wrong to the point that you would remove the freedom to choose what happens in one's own body because your moral code is so superior to someone else's.
Smoking too much dope there, andy? You accused me of forcing my view of God on other people: "Everyone has their own relationship with God, stop trying to force yours on other people."
