Obama, the disgusting pig.

What if there were not even a decision? Wills can change-- especially if there is a wake-up about what the stakes really are.

 

When does one of these "things" get a soul?

 

Man, I missed out on all the epic fail fun

 

All I can say is, if someone kills a pregnant woman, it's a double murder.

 

When it listens to it's first James Brown CD.

 

You absolutely are throwing slime... you know how??? BY CALLING THE MAN A PIG! That's how and you should be ashamed of yourself.

Obama is not subhuman (as you claim in your thread title). But claiming so is a tactic used in the past by those who have done horrible things and tried to justify their views and sick actions (see Nazi germany). Hate to break it to you, but humanity is capable of cruel things. Nobody in their right mind (especially a man) is "pro-abortion." That's just a sick and distorted of looking at somebody else's point of view. And I'm calling you out by saying that you don't give a rat's rear end about somebody's 1st trimester FETUS. You only care about pushing your church's agenda over every woman's right in America to choose to make an extremely DIFFICULT decision in their life.

Obama clearly stated in the debates his reasons for voting the way he did, but obviously you were busy foaming at the mouth like a rabid fool to hear what he had to say.

Obama: "I'm going to cut taxes for 95% of Americans."
McCain and his supporters: "Hah, see he just said he was going to raise taxes!!"

Obama: "Bill Ayers and I were on an educational board for underpriveledged children. He was appointed by a Reagan republican. That is the extent of our relationship."
McCain and his supporters: "He pals around with terrorists and he's guilty by association."

Obama: "Doctor's already must help a baby that was born after a botched abortion. I voted against the bills because they would undermine Roe v. Wade."
McCain and his supporters: "Obama wants to kill babies."

"When in danger or in doubt, run in circles... scream & shout." -Deckard

 

I am anti-abortion. I hate the way a lot of the Religious Right goes about trying to rectify the issue - they want to overturn Roe v. Wade, but how will that stop abortion when a woman is desperate? Will a young woman barely scraping by just say, "Welp, in my state, they chose to prohibit abortion, so I guess I'll somehow try to figure out how to raise a kid when I'm 100% not prepared financially!" I think a lot of back alley abortions will happen, and suicides will increase.

My mom will talk about why she is SO SCARED of Obama and the prevailing reason is that he kills babies. She will get so emotional and even weep and accuse me of hating God because I'm not behind McCain (and Palin, aka the "modern day Esther"). They accuse ME of being a sheep and I just don't get it. I can't bring up any facts or this just upsets them more. My dad's parents are Czech and they keep saying that if Obama wins they will move to the Czech Republic. I've told them that abortion is legal there but the numbers have gone down drastically since they implemented better sex education and helped people get contraceptives. I gave them an example of a country where the ABORTION RATE KEEPS GOING DOWN and they don't listen, just wailing that "our morals are dying!"

I just don't get the logic. Wouldn't a great way of going about eradicating abortion be preventing the number of unwanted pregnancies? Or giving mothers paid maternity leave, like in many European countries? I just think there can be a rational discussion about this issue and I do believe there are other ways to help reduce abortions without resorting to the "run in circles screaming" mentality that a lot of people have.

When did abortion become the #1 issue for Christians anyhow? In my old church in Katy we prayed for the abortion issue much, much more than we prayed for those dying of starvation or disease or war. I seriously am interested, were people this riled up about it directly following Roe v. Wade?

 

I've said my piece on abortion already. So I went ahead and found my post about it. Which is aimed directly at Landlord (surprise) in a previous thread.

http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showpost.php?p=3872174&postcount=621

The extremist in this argument is not Obama, it is you, LLL.

 

True, there'd be 5 times the abortion facilities if guys got pregnant.

Though I don't believe alot of women have babies for noble grand purposes either. Gold diggers have given women a bad name.

If men could get months of paid maternity leave away from work, while the woman works and supports his way, and the man probably doesnt even go BACK to work for a couple years or even ever - if it took carrying a baby for a full term some guys out there just might consider it. Anyways...


Why I'm not in office - I say everyone gets up to 3 abortions and they have to be reported. After the 3rd you must carry the baby. Because 3 abortions should be enough eye-opener for a person (you would think) to figure out their life's direction.

 

I have a plan that can solve the problem of an expecting mother that may not want to keep or raise a baby for any reason.

It's a government sponsored plan that would not need tax payer money.

The plan would be, the expecting mother signs a release to give the baby up after birth.
The mother would recieve full medical care. There would bes a group insurance plan for this purpose.
- Lets say the total medical cost is $15K billable to insurance company. $5K for Time out from work before and after birth.
- So, the mother is not liable for any of the money.

How to pay for it.

There is a sign up sheet for parents wanting to adopt a child.
A fee is required to is to pay for the adoption, lets say $22K. The $22K pay for medical costs and time out from work.

The extra $2K goes back into the pot.

The pot would assist parents that would want to adopt a child but not able to afford it.

 

Define soul in terms that would enable me to identify it unequivocally.

 

***WARNING***

Emotionally based, factually devoid argument ahead!​

 

To quote a former president: "There you go again..."

 

Let me explain it to you...real slow so you get it.


Other people's babies/pregnancies ARE NONE OF YOUR FLIPPING BUSINESS !!



There....now maybe you will understand.....keep your nose out of everyone elses business.....that is how most of America views this issue.

DD

 

This has so many holes it is like swiss cheese.

Some women do not want to be pregnant, much less carry a baby to term and deliver. Your plan does not address that.

What if the fetus is shown to be deformed and the adoptive parents back out? Your plan does not address that.

What if the fetus causes the mother to become sick and the baby must be removed before it can survive outside on its own? Your plan does not address that.

What if the fetus will not live after birth because of faulty development? It will die immediately after birth because of a birth defect that affects brain development. Is an abortion OK then? Your plan does not address that.

What if the mother wants to leave the country and get an abortion elsewhere? Under your plan can the government detain her? Your plan does not address that.

 

So... we should put lipstick on him?

 

My plan does address these issues.

Please check section 2.1.1.23.a, 3.2.5.2.1.c1, 234.23.12.3.42, 123.5.13.141, 234.1.3.32.5

Thanks,

 

It won't but it will help take it out of the casual realm and force people to consider other alternatives which don't kill the child. This is certainly a multi-layered problem but making an easy way out is no solution.

 

That which gives you no alternative but to expect a human being to develop out of what you may think is a mass of quivering cells.

Can't say that about skin cells or toenails or boogers...