Key word here.... "seems." The "problems" are not inherently related and each deserves its own solution. Here's my google link for such a search: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=abortion+as+birth+control&aq=1&oq=abortion+as+birth I scanned about six or seven of them and find no support for your argument that abortion is not just another form of birth control. Who is telling you that? Can you show us someplace that asserts it reasonably? Part of the success of the pro-Choice initiative is to cloak and burden a life and death decision of abortion with a bunch of tangential arguments. I'm a "rigid pro-Life" person who is for gay marriage, for gay adoption, and for reasonable welfare considerations. Sorry to screw up your curve but each of those is an issue unto itself.
I understand all these frustrations...and they're a huge part of my frustration with this argument, too.
this is the most reasonably worded post you've made on this subject...this i can understand, even if i'm not thrilled with it. i really wish we weren't having this discussion at all.
Your against abortion and have internet? Does your mother ride a bike in your basement so you can have a connection?
As is the term "murder." If you weren't using such pejoratives, maybe we could have a more productive conversation.
Deck-- I'll get back to this at some point in more detail. I also have to answer LScoladominates' post. It's hard to find accurate data for the points I'm trying to make; it's all slanted from either one group or the other on the sides of the abstinence only education debate, which is not what I'm trying to get into. The data doesn't speak on the matter, that's just a conclusion that the study made but they don't have any data to back it up. I'm certainly not denying that what you are saying is true. Both points, however, are very likely to be true. It's just hard to get data on the subject, which is why I'm having a hard time responding to LScola's post.
Yes, and in many ways it was a much worse situation than we have today. So, because of YOUR feelings, YOUR morality, and YOUR values, all of us should suddenly change our opinion and take away freedom of choice from women who do not share your values. HUBRIS
I actually don't defend Roe. I defend choice. As I have said before, I would support a ban on abortions after the fetus is viable (as long as there is a physical health exception to protect the mother). I believe that if one is to have an abortion, they should make that choice as early as possible. But it comes down to choice. The woman should have control over what her organs are used for.
you're good people, andy. at this point, i don't care about the laws so much....i'm more concerned with the hearts of people making these decisions.
... maybe one day again it will. And a fetus does have a right to life; it just depends on how that is defined at the time. I hope that as a society we are at the low point and it is only up from here. I won't apologize for "feeling" bad about children being killed. You should be ashamed that you mock me for that.
Abortion is surgery, I would be OK with leaving her the choice not to use her uterus to bring a fetus to term but then having the alternative as artificial incubation. She still gets to choose not to bring the fetus to term and the pro-lifers get to save what they believe is a "life."
1.6 million? How many people are trying to adopt? What percentage would be born with a birth defect? I think a lot of people are cavalier but in their words, not in their deeds. DD
Me too. I wish we were all working to reach women BEFORE they got pregnant and were forced to make the choice. C'est la vie.
