Obama, the disgusting pig.

i just pushed the caps lock. i'm not really screaming, i promise.

then you're against Roe v. Wade? i just wanna make sure you understand where the logic of that position takes you in this discussion. are you suggesting Roe v. Wade should be expanded...that abortion for any reason at any point is ok, because, after all, it's the woman's body?

 

I would support an abortion ban if the choice was to give the fetus up for artificial incubation.

 

You are absolutely terrible about mis-representing someone's position. You seem to think that the entirety of humanity is pro-Choice.

I'm discouraged about one specific thing; can you get that?

You are not going to marginalize me like you do those unborn babies...

 

its not a what if. babies are being born ealier and earlier.

just because your litmus test sucks don't get mad at me.

 

Wouldn't that require surgery for the mother? What about her rights to her own body?

 

I'm not mad Casey, I just don't think taking a conversation into "What if" territory is productive...


And Giddy...sorry, you are only discouraged by the majority.

I am sorry you don't like it.

DD

 

so then..let's be clear...you do believe the "whatever you want to call it that's growing inside the woman which if left alone will become what we would all define as a human being" has some rights that trump the mother's right to keep the govt out of the business of her body.....provided there is new technology.

fair??

 

1. Tell that to the aborted baby

2. Just because the mother won't raise them doesn't mean she doesn't want them and wouldn't fall in love with them once in her arms.... OR.... that there is someone somewhere else who would love that baby if given the chance.

 

Well I have no alternative so its easy for me to cut down people's definition of when human life begins, but you should be aware yours is constantly changing.

 

If they had a brain that could interpret patterns in sound then we could.

They cannot even hear a voice till 6 months.

 

A fetus is not a baby...

Hey, more wasted hypotheticals.....great !

Of course you failed to talk about people wanting the r****ded, or autistic, or disabled babies.....right?

DD

 

Crossing threads here but are you saying that anything goes with sex slaves (who are not independent)? You might want to re-think the use of a qualifier.

 

It's very easy to defend broad generalizations

on on hand to defend the life of a baby

on the other to defend the right of a person to have the government not legislate regarding their body


but let's be clear that the status quo many of you are seeking to defend does include the government having a very clear say-so with regard to what choices a woman can and can not make with regard to "her body" in the realm of this abortion discussion.


Theoretical arguments are neat and cute....but in the real world, this debate doesn't center around these generalities.

 

they start to hear in the 3rd month.

 

Speaking of Palin-esqe generalizations.....^^^



I may disagree with the wording, or minutae of roe v. wade, but I think the spirit of it, and the resulting policy, is pretty much as close to spot-on fair as we can get.

I can't say when a fetus becomes an independent human, but I can say I know for sure that someone who is pregnant qualifies. As such, the choice should remain with them. If we've determined that a late term fetus can indeed survive independently from its mother, than I'd say that's a little too late.

I do not advocate abortions of any kind, esp late term. And I would do all I can to discourage them. But I think that a greater evil is created by making them all illegal (both in terms of public health and loss of personal freedoms... the slippery slope), and like I said, I think that currently we've reached a balance that seems to work.

 

OK, thanks to MadMax we now see that Rowe vs. Wade meets everybody half way. It allows the woman a right to get an abortion but does not allow it at anytime she wishes.

Can we just shut up about the whole thing and agree that everybody has their own opinion and nobody is going to change the other person or group's mind on the matter?

 

Prove it...

It's not a wasted hypothetical if it is hopeful. Your cynical hypotheticals which only serve to create failure and doom are indeed wasted. You can't know the outcome and you have no right to choose the worst for someone else.

There are people who aspire to adopt special needs kids.

 

I never expect to change someone's mind on a topic like this. But hearing differing viewpoints is healthy for everyone, as long as it's done with respect.

 

1. Ok, I'll do that.

2. Of course there is that chance, but why risk it?

 

No, you prove it....isn't this fun....

You have no right to choose either...hey we agree !

Oh, you mean we are to take your word for it....lol.

DD