Obama, the disgusting pig.

You really need imagination to only be able to attempt to save one or the other, but realizing their value, there is no fault in making a difficult choice, good post.

 

my point, a jar full of embryos has no relevance to pregnancy or the abortion issue.

 

to some it does, to some it does not, therein lies the entire debate....

 

An embryo in a mother's womb maybe,
but not an embryo in a jar.

 

a fetus in a jar is a dead fetus. there is no cell growth...no intake of nutrients or expelling of waste....nothing of the hallmarks of life.

so if we're talking about a fetus in a jar and a living 3 year old, that's a very very easy decision to make.

and if you're honestly relating what happens to a developing fetus inside a womb to a fetus floating in a jar, then we really are having a very different discussion.

 

.... frickin drama queen

 

I was using my awesomely active imagination to create a scenario where the fetus was viable.

My bad.

 

viable in a container??

 

Here is an ethics question-

you only have one son you love with all your heart
you know a group of people who are prejudiced, haters and murderers

they will die for their bigotry and wickedness
but you have the power to pardon them, the only catch is if you wish to pardon them you have to put their punishment on your only son.

do you let the wicked ones die that deserve it
or do you give your loved son for them not knowing if they will even get it?

 

i'll smack her double good for you!

 

if we can freeze a person and possibly revive them, independently cultured fetuses aren't far off i guess?

 

ok, now we're really reaching.

i had a very pro-choice friend in law school tell me that there was research being done (this would have been 10 years ago - man, i'm old) by Japanese scientists developing artificial wombs which could nourish replace women in cases where women don't want to continue the pregnancy. it was her contention that this would kill the abortion argument, ultimately, because it would be difficult to argue for abortion when a similar procedure could remove the embryo and still keep it alive and grow it.

 

I was talking about an embryo. An embryo is before fetal stage. It's the 'test tube' part of test tube baby. So we are talking 1st week or so of conception. At that point, I believe you can freeze them and store them nearly indefinitely.

This question came from an MIT bioethicist. The point that he made in posing it is that you can talk about embryos and fetuses having value. Different people have different opinions as to what that is. But the idea that it is 100% analogous to a baby, doesn't appear to hold water when applied to real world tests. It is something other than a baby. That doesn't mean that it is worthless or anything. A baby isn't an adult human being. Depending on situations we treat them differently. Nobody says that adults are better than babies. It just means that we treat them with different rules which are appropriate to what they are. So when people scream that "it is a baby!!!", people who intuit this distinction tune the rest of the conversation out. It doesn't pass the smell test. So screaming "It's a baby!!!!" will never result in an outcome that will be agreed upon. To a large group of people, it is intuitively equivalent to demanding that the same rules that apply to adults apply to newborns. Or something along those lines.

And it isn't an analogy, Landlord Landry. An analogy draws a comparison between similar characteristics of two dissimilar things.

 

at least any hospitals with fetuses in them.

god help me.

 

Beautifully done, sir.

 

I'm not being cute here, but I don't get the point this has in this discussion.