it hasn't been proven false. He voted against the state bill 3 times before it was a federal law. March 30, 2001. SB 1095 April 4th, 2002. SB 1662 March 12-13, 2003. SB 1082 EPIC VICTORY.
Hold on there, partner. First, you are correct, there is no correlation between the two. I'm pro-choice, although I hate myself for being that way. As far as Universal health care, we've seen what the Gov't does with it's assistance programs. They're attrocious. And that has NOTHING to do with the party in power, much as you'd like it to. I'm telling you right now that universal health care for everyone will cause a reaping of our Countries debt far worse than this business we're in right now. It's almost tantamount to Roe v. Wade in that you will get "back shops" that will take care of you for a price, while the masses get screwed. Believe me, you don't want this; even though you think you do.
ok now this $h!t has been going on for too long now and someone has to say something.. have you ever studied any basic science? do you understand the concept that the "BABIES" in the 1st trimester aren't freacking "alive"? how do you "kill" an embryo for god's sake? can you please explain to me? "they" ("it" is the better term since it's not alive) don't feel anything you know, they're not cute ol' babies with little tiny feet and pretty smiles.. this is unbelievably annoying! the whole "baby killer" crap is gettin old.. second of all, let's consider a situation for a second and answer some simple questions: Q-who usually get abortions? (this is a generalization question) A-people who get pregnant accidentally and aren't in a position to raise a child.. Q-how would you describe the ability of the couple from question 1 to raise a child? A-horrible: the child won't get the care he needs, he'll grow up in negligence and he won't be given a good opportunity to grow normally Q-what choices does the couple have? A-either literally throw their son away to total strangers (AKA adoption), or just neglect the child and let the street raise him Q-what do children raised by the streets usually grow up to be? A-no good people committing crimes/felonies to eat/get money Q-what's the equation here? A- saving the NONLIVING embryo = poor child not getting the care he needs = the child growing to become a criminal = him killing people/having a negative effect on society.. so the big picture here, we "save" the embryo, we end up with more actual alive people getting hurt/killed .. now this is extremely stereotypical.. some of my best friends are adopted and they are extremely successful people, but we're talking about a majority here, what's the majority of children born of unplanned pregnancies like? you think about it and get back at me..
It's a conundrum on both parts in regards to abortion. I recently watched "Raisin in the Sun" and it shows both sides. First the mortification of throwing your baby away along with the deplorable ways in which it was done at the time, as well. As I stated, I'm pro-choice, but we, as a country, have made it too easy to give up a child due to a whim. There should be some difficulty. I teared up watching it, especially when you saw her imagining her already born son. It is a heart-wrenching decision, and should be treated as such. These days, it almost appears like we're encouraging it. And by that, I mean the pro-choice fanatics. This country is faltering on morals, regardless of which side of the fence you're on, myself included. But I'm trying. I'm trying real hard.
I see what you're saying, and I'm a social conservative myself, like a hardcore one. But I just don't believe that because I'm like that, everyone in the world should be like me, I don't believe in having the government set a strict moral code for all the people, as it would result in more people trying to break the law and find loopholes, which means more spending for the government to regulate stuff.. But this issue in particular is IMO on a different level compared to other "moral" issues.. This is basically a simple "what causes me less damage" decision, kinda like they taught us in basic engineering "problem solving" class, ur in a car and you lose control: u either turn left and hit 1 guy or turn right and hit 4 guys, what way to do you turn? But if anyone thinks openmindedly about this issue, it's not hard to figure out that aborting this non-living embryo causes way less damage than having to deal with the consequences of the children of unplanned pregnancy.. it's not even close. I actually believe that if you have the slightest moral values (by you I don't mean YOU fatty lol), you'd definitely choose abortion over the horrible consequences of having the child that not only would grow up to screw up society, but would also endure a great deal of pain and misfortune through out his "accidental" life without having much of a choice.. it's really harsh when u think about it as a "which one hurts me/society less" situation, but unfortunately, this is life for ya.. just my 2 cents
oh and by the way, very classy of you Landlord Landry on the thread title.. despite the fact that 90% of this board is comprised of liberals or "libpigs" as TJ likes to call them, I haven't seen a single thread comparing Mr. McCain or his bright running mate to an animal, much less a "disgusting pig", your classiness, combined with TJ's and Basso's, epitomizes the campaign that your party has been running for the past 6 months.. call him stupid, call him unacknowledged, unprepared, ask "who is the real obama", but don't call him a disgusting pig for god's sake! basic humanity 101: BE RESPECTFUL, not for a fellow BBS'er, but for a member of your country's senate and the favored candidate for president right now..
First off, adoption is a great alternative to abortion. There are lots of people who can't have kids of their own and want to adopt. Secondly, how can you say an embryo is not alive? Biologically speaking, even a one-celled organism is alive.
right, but that's "biologically" alive.. you kill a bunch of your "alive" skin cells everyday simply by scratching your arm .. I flush a bunch of my alive sperm cells down the toilet every now and then .. I meant not "alive" in the literal sense, as some of those weirdos who really think that democrats are "baby Killers" with the baby being a cute little creature with tiny arms and a big head.. as for adoption, I do believe it's a great thing, but there are plenty of orphaned children who would love to get adopted by good people who don't have kids of their own.. doesn't mean we ban abortions just because some good ol' people want to adopt strangers' children.. plus not every child gets lucky with the perfect "adopters" if you will ... heck, the stereotypical people who indulged in unsafe sex in the first place wouldn't even know about the possibility of adoption, much less accepting it if they knew about it..
You're missing my point. There IMO should be ramifications for abortion. It should definitely never be a walk in the park. Yet, that gives way to sideshops that will shove a coat hanger up your vj when you feel "not so virginal." I don't have the correct answer on what society should do, but in a rose colored world, I'd prefer the social moreys of the 50's with the safety and accessibility of today. I mean no rude connotation by this, but "hippies" have always been the undoing of every country. ie. I'm a philosopher, entertainer, etc. And it has been very quick. Rome England Greece China Every great culture will inevitably fail. Don't think we've suddenly discovered a new "wheel", oh and BTW, Egypt didn't fluster on that like you'd think, eh? Give more to everyone! It's fantastic! Do you idiots, and let me repeat, IDIOTS understand Social Security? I wasnt AS COMPLETELY AWARE as I was yesterday, and let me REITERATE, WE ARE COMPLETELY SCREWED ON SOCIAL SECURITY. This is in MY family: 1982: My Uncle was injured to the point where he couldn't work. I've no idea when he started SS, but I do know He's been collecting $1,000/mo. since '90. My Dad who showed me what he put in vs. Exxon tonight equaled 12 yrs of servive. I told my dad that the company matched, but it still didn't add up. And then my Mom's was brought up. She worked ten years her entire life! (according to the Gov't. She was such a good mom and cook that we envy it), and she was will still get 780/mo. which we figured out will deplete her contribution in well less than a yeat. I'm in a business that takes advantage of Gov't. regulations being stupid. But realize Horton hears a who once and again. I can't state this enough: If you want to gamble, then do so. We are talking about money you are going TO NEED 30 years from now. Diversify and hold and IMO don't look at it. I can honestly say I've not looked at my 529 in my son's account due to it always being up and, lo and behold, averaging works. I'm still up on my OP.
I think the real question is......have YOU ever studied basic reproductive science? http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/prenatal-care/PR00112 <b>Week 5: Baby's heart begins to beat</b> Your baby at week five<b> (three weeks after conception) </b> At week five, your baby is 1/17 of an inch long — about the size of the tip of a pen. This week, your baby's heart and circulatory system are taking shape. Your baby's blood vessels will complete a circuit, and his or her heart will begin to beat. Although you won't be able to hear it yet, the motion of your baby's beating heart may be detected with an ultrasound exam. With these changes, blood circulation begins — making the circulatory system the first functioning organ system. <b>Week 6: The neural tube closes</b> Your baby at week six (four weeks after conception) Growth is rapid this week. Just four weeks after conception, your baby is about 1/8 of an inch long. The neural tube along your baby's back is now closed, and your baby's heart is beating with a regular rhythm. Basic facial features will begin to appear, including an opening for the mouth and passageways that will make up the inner ear. The digestive and respiratory systems begin to form as well. Small blocks of tissue that will form your baby's connective tissue, ribs and muscles are developing along your baby's midline. Small buds will soon grow into arms and legs. <b>Week 9: Movement begins</b> Your baby at week nine (seven weeks after conception) Your baby is now nearly 1 inch long and weighs a bit less than 1/8 of an ounce. The embryonic tail at the bottom of your baby's spinal cord is shrinking, helping him or her look less like a tadpole and more like a developing person. Your baby's head — which is nearly half the size of his or her entire body — is now tucked down onto the chest. Nipples and hair follicles begin to form. Your baby's pancreas, bile ducts, gallbladder and anus are in place. The internal reproductive organs, such as testes or ovaries, start to develop. Your baby may begin moving this week, but you won't be able to feel it for quite a while yet. <b>Week 10: Neurons multiply</b> Your baby at week 10 (eight weeks after conception) By now, your baby's vital organs have a solid foundation. The embryonic tail has disappeared completely, and your baby has fully separated fingers and toes. The bones of your baby's skeleton begin to form. This week, your baby's brain will produce almost 250,000 new neurons every minute. Your baby's eyelids are no longer transparent. The outer ears are starting to assume their final form, and tooth buds are forming as well. If your baby is a boy, his testes will start producing the male hormone testosterone. for God's sake? God's sake would never kill a baby(unborn "fetus" whatever you wish to call "it") but I'm trying to leave religion out of this. besides, the basis of the original post was not about "embryos" it's about a bill preventing partial birth abortions, where the doctors partialy deliver the BABY, and then puncture the BABY's skull and sunction the brain matter untill the skull collapses. A bill Senator Obama rejected 3 times. I am presumming you do not have any children, am I correct? just curious. I agree, they are not cute at this stage, quite odd looking actually, kind of alienish, but they can't become cute lil babies with little tiny feet and pretty smiles if their life (or potential for life......) is terminated. how do you suppose all humans become alive? sorry but, it's not true, a stork just doesn't drop a baby off on your doorstep when you decide to become a parent. The embyonic stage is apart of the life cycle, you can't become a human without first being an embryo, therefore being an embryo doesn't make you any "less human". and at a rate of 250,000 new neurons a minute, and fully functional organs, (including central nervous system) I'm sure the baby is capable of feeling many things. I couldn't agree more. It needs to stop. Obama has no plans to though, in fact, he wants to make abortions MORE accessible and LESS restrictive. I don't have exact figures in front of me, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and agree that this is probably the root cause for the majority of abortions. so it's easier just to pretend as if the child was never concieved and fix a lil boo-boo in the tummy? that's an excuse, not a REASON. do you know the average waiting time for an adoption? it could be anywhere from 6 weeks up to several years.......there are plenty of loving and qualified adoptive parents out there just waiting. their are always family members. sadly, I'm sure you are right, there probably are alot of parents who feel completley overwhelmed and neglect their children to the point they turn to the streets. but in other cases, such as myself, the parents realize they made a huge life changing blunder(I was 14 when my first daughter was born) and do everything they can to raise their kids and keep em off the streets. not always true. and kids born into perfectly good homes with hard working decent parents end up in the same position too, so moot point. and the solution to your equation is.......death is better because statistically you are probably going to fail anyway. I tend to put a lil more value on a human beings life and for the most part believe that there are still more good people in this world than there are bad. there are people in every community/society that end up in the streets or as criminals regardless of the situation they were born into. so the big picture here, we "save" the embryo, we end up with more actual alive people getting hurt/killed .. I just don't understand the logic......a childs future is "statistically" bleek, so the best option is just end the life now, don't even give him/her a chance at a future"
right, I'll get on that. lets not forget what the Liberal Democrats have been saying about Bush for the last 6 years. Or even Palin the last few months. Let's get one other thing clear, just so we understand each other. John McCain doesn't represent my "party". I don't support John McCain or Sarah Palin. The only political party a fully support 100% is Landryism.
Scraping off your skin cells, accidentally stepping on a bug, etc. are things that can seldom be avoided. Abortion can be avoided. I hope people who are thinking about making this decision put more thought into it than you do; I hope they don't opt for abortion just because they don't want to "throw away their child" to a loving adoptive family. Also, most kids in orphanages are older kids, not babies. Abortion should not be taken lightly.
And until you read my commentary, I could care less about your response. Do me a favor: Actually read soimething. Otherwise, you come across as a moron.
As a devout Catholic who is definitely NOT pro-abortion, your rhetoric and wording embarrasses the hell out of me. Man, why can't I ever learn to stay away from D&D?
Excuse me if I don't forgive you and yes, it is obvious you don't get it. You want to sum up your "Oh my God!!! Barack Obama IS going to be elected! The horror!!!!" frantic slime throwing effort? Just read my signature. That's what you, John McCain, Ms. Palin, and the rest of the pathetic, desperate bunch, busy trying anything they can to pull a victory out of political disaster, are doing. And losing, thank god. "When in danger or in doubt, run in circles... scream & shout." That's you, buddy. Running in circles, shouting and screaming your head off. And just so you'll know, my pro-choice wife gave birth to two beautiful children au natural... sans medication of any kind. No, I wouldn't like to see you do it, big mouth, and you WOULD be screaming your head off in agony. You simply don't understand and don't care how people like us can be pro-choice, believing that not allowing a woman to have control of her own body is straight out of a George Orwell novel and the Chinese Communist playbook, yet wanting abortions to be safe and RARE. So wallow in your ignorance. I hope you choke on it.
how am I throwing slime? by pointing out Obamas voting record on the issue? I didnt make the votes for him. congrats on your kids man. seriously. I don't understand how most people can be pro-abortion though, you are correct, and it's not that I don't care why you are pro-abortion, I just care too much about the child doesn't get a choice in the whole "pro-choice" idea.
Abortion is generally a bad idea. It's hard psychologically on the pregnant woman, it's valid to see it as murder but it has it's place as a medical treatment. However, copious amounts of political debate and court decisions have defined a policy that have produced a workable compromise in this country. That's the way our political system works (you know, The Constitution conservatives always want to champion). I agree though the compromise is fluid and if this is the issue that is most important to you, then by all means, use all your political tools, including inflammatory posts in an Internet BBS. But the policy has be defined and I don't see it moving too much either way whether Landlord Landry or the head of the NRLC were elected president. They wouldn't call it the SUPREME Court if weren't the final arbitrator.
