I totally get state right arguments but I can't give the states all of that ability because some states would crap on the impoverished even more.
That is the most amazingly stupid thing I've ever read. This is why I don't venture into the D&D. If an embryo isn't alive, then how on earth, pray tell, do the cells engage in mitosis? How do they combine nutrients and oxygen taken from the mother's blood and convert it into energy? I also love your definiton of adoption. "Throw their son away to total strangers." First of all, if the embryo is "not alive," then how have you now defined it as a "son" that can be "thrown away"? Back to the science we're supposed to all study: the embryo has a sex from the moment conception occurs. It also has everything it will need, as one solitary cell, to become a full adult male or female. Oh, and have you seen the list of the "total strangers" who are dying to have children of their own but are unable? Have you seen how long it is? The "throwing away" happens in the abortion clinic, not in the adoption process.
Some of my dearest friends are adopted. My mother-in-law is adopted. My best friend has adopted two children. I have had two kids of my own, and I can't afford any others. Nice strawman. The all caps really makes your point compelling, though.
I bet people don't answer just like Rush who can afford and Hannity and O' Reilly......... thats what make me laugh at the hypocrisy. Like the other thread Adam and Eve don't eat the apple is Gods government closer to capitalism or socialism? Whats more important to God money or people?
What is the function of a political party, then? Any time you inform, you educate someone I suppose, but my point is that it is not their responsibility as you seem to imply. They have other work to do. Leave the primary job of educating to the families and the educational institutions.
I have no problem with the Death Penalty but I think it is pretty useless (read expensive and ineffectual as far as being a deterrent) the way it is administered today so I can live with Life Without the Possibility of Parole if it will lower the number of abortions.
How many of you who are pro-Choice (and find abortion to be vile) have adopted? To my knowledge there is no a shortage of adults wanting to adopt, but there is a surplus of bureaucracy that makes it difficult. I have four children and still would consider it. We actually hosted some AIDS orphans from Nepal and Africa visiting our church back in August and I had a strong impulse to adopt one of those kids that I especially connected with.
If I had a boy already, I think we would still adopt, we defined our goals for the size of our family and timing of each child quite some time ago. Our latest daughter(4) was definitely a suprise. She was born 12 months after the previous child. yea, the adoption idea has little to do with the gender, and I honestly don't care where the baby comes from, but finances will be a huge factor. A close friend of mine adopted a girl from China a few years ago.....he had to fly to China and actually stay there for about a month at a time on 3 different occasions. I just can't afford that. My wife is from Mexico, I think it means alot to her to adopt from Mexico....the things she has told me she's seen........... BTW, the American GOP is not my party.
I answered. Why did you ignore? Thanks for throwing accusations of "hypocrisy" around at people you've never met in your life. Were it not for adoption, I would never have met my wife or nearly 5% of my personal friends.
Why do you consider it hypocrisy? In the first place, it is the responsibility of the two who created the child to parent the child. You seem to have more scorn for those not stepping forward to adopt than for those who abandon the responsibility. I'm already responsible for four children of my "making." As someone on this board wrote before, I won't refuse the aid and rescue of a fireman just because I didn't fight fires myself... I'LL JUST BE GLAD THAT THEY DID... and that's not hypocrisy, it's gratefulness.
I am grateful of the blessings for your families as well. I am debating points of view and never personalizing things here, I respect you and everyone here. I merely believe that with the freedom of religion or without, there is a population that does not subscribe to the theology and they should be respected as Americans just as much as those with their fixed morality. I would believe that no matter what religion I subscribed to in the world. The contract allows for man to create the laws and not laws created by God for man after all this a man made government and it is against the principles of America to subject any American to the "persecution of religion" ever again. Adoption is personal...... so is abortion........both decisions that hurt......and they are our decisions to make and live with it.......... and our decisions should not be judged by man but by God. Adoption is a choice and so is "abortion". No matter what people will be able to do this anywhere. Whats next prosecuting a woman for having an abortion in Canada. People want states to have the right and trust people to make their own decisions....... don't they, they understand, right?
You don't have to wish the deaths of people in order to alter the course of history. Maybe all Hitler needed was just one more incentive to be a priest or for bin Laden a different attitude on Islam or a different mentor. If is there anything to wish, it's to wish that distressed people have the hope and strength to live a good and decent life. Furthermore, that flimsily constructed question implies that the question giver knows abortion is wrong but is willing to rationalize his opinion. That question reflects a level of thinking that is striking among our cultural perceptions of choice and destiny. "If only I didn't drive drunk that one night..." "If only I bet on red instead of black..." None of it really explains how a person got to that state in the first place. I consider myself pro-choice, but I don't think abortions are the best answer to an unwanted pregnancy. It's a very uncomfortable but pragmatic position I take because we did live in a time when abortions were illegal and it was still practiced in the most grisly means possible. If there was ever a way for the government to give government assistance (bribe) heistant mothers into having unwanted babies for adoption, I would be for it. I just think a woman who made some bad decisions should be willing to afford 8-9 months of inconvenience. That's a man's opinion, but I wouldn't mind a tax penalty for the father too. They could get a refund on proof of keeping the kid. Of course, this is all theory that would not live up practically, but I feel strongly that abortions should be used at the last resort. Even in the worst of scenarios I can't believe that the lives created afterwards could very well be lost causes because of it. It's saying that instead of overburdening that woman and the welfare state, society is better off cutting of "loose ends" in order to make things run just a little smoother. I would think the very idea or argument thereof kills the compassionate spirit of the liberal ideal.
I was pro-Life long before I was pro-Christ! It has nothing to do with theological underpinnings. I consider it Compassionate Pragmatism...
Irony... username and message... By that logic, kill 'em all and let God sort 'em out. I don't think anyone thinks like that... joke or not. BTW- finalsbound pointed out that overturning Roe v. Wade would only serve to reduce 10% of abortions, making it a state by state decision, and that people would most likely cross state lines, by all estimates... That's not the point to me. Reducing the need through education, as to the consequences of "doin' the deed" is what I advocate. But parents and guardians gotta teach it first, and reinforce whatever the schools get stuck having to teach... And it's not a perfect world, so that is a daunting task to say the least. I posted a better response somewhere else on this forum, I'm sure. Good night... or morning, I gotta get to bed...
Straw man. It ceases to be "personal morality" when 95% or more of the public believes something should be illegal.
