Obama Tacitly Admits He Was Involved in Fast & Furious

You are denying that the Obama administration put an end to the program?

There's no point in discussing this with you, because apparently facts don't register with you.

Oh well.

 

Heads have rolled. Those responsible for the decision making were fired. It is entirely possible and more than likely that this was a program that didn't go all the way up the chain.

The documents being requested are not about holding Holder accountable to what happened, but rather about how he prepared for the questions from congress.

It was a terrible idea, and those involved should have been punished. But not even Boehner is suggesting that Holder was directly involved in this program. That's not the issue here.

The issue is that Republicans are mad that they can't see the internal deliberations of the AG with the WH in determining how to testify and respond to the investigation. That's a totally different and separate investigation than
fast & furious.

Fast & Furious is done, the culprits have been fired. It was such a stupid idea. Republicans aren't suggesting holder was directly involved (some are though, but not House leadership), they are suggesting that Holder has lied to Congress and that is the crime.

It's sort of like impeaching Bill Clinton for lying about sex after they found nothing on Whitewater. Did Holder lie about what he knew to the press. Perhaps, but that isn't a crime. Is it weird that a letter was retracted? Absolutely, but they did in the end retract it which means they realized it was incorrect and did set the record straight.

Is there anything here? No. Because Boehner was against pursuing this and tried to kill the investigation - he knew there was nothing here. This whole thing is a manufactured scandal.

 

I'm not sure what you are getting at. Are you giving Obama credit for ending a program that he and his attorney general claim to have had no knowledge of

 

Boehner was against this because it is going to make the Republicans look bad politically in districts where voters prefer moderates. He's afraid of losing the house because districts flip.

Grassly, who even Democrats have said is generally good in his role on the Senate committee has pursued this as well. They aren't trying to see the internal deliberations just for the heck of it. They want to see it because they believe Holder lied to Congress and they want to understand why and to what extent.

 

Excellent clip from the Daily Show last night:

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Glad to see Stewart taking Obama's administration and Democrats to task on this one.

 

I'm just stating the facts. The facts are that the program was ended under the Obama administration. I'm only pointing that out.

It was a horrible program started under the Bush administration and expanded under Obama's administration and then ended under the Obama administration.

 

OK.

My goatee was started under the Bush administration, expanded under the Obama administration and has since been eliminated and regrown.

Just want to get all the facts on the table.

 

Holder has acted weird. It seems like he found out about it and didn't know what to do with it and may have handled that poorly.

Did he lie to congress? Where did that come from? I haven't seen any accusation that Holder lied in his testimony.

It's clear that Obama doesn't want to release anything at this stage - something that will get turned around into a Super-Pac commercial and used to beat him up whether there is something there or not. So that's no surprise.

The issue really is that no one trusts the other side. Obama fears and believes Republicans are on a fishing expedition to try to defeat him in Nov. Republicans think this is their opportunity to get Obama in a mess he made.

The atmosphere is so poisonous that it really is just another form of dysfunction in our gov't.

One thing is clear, if we don't figure out a way for Dems & Reps to work together more this country is not going to fair well.

 

wait, I thought Sam/Saul determined "Witch Hunt" to be rayciss? yet, i see a man of color using the exact same term in that clip.

differentiate?

 

wrong: wide receiver <> fast and furious

correct: wide receiver < fast and furious

 

Wait, so the next Fast & Furious movie is starring Barack Obama? Interesting.

 

I think you are going way too far in comparing Obama to Nixon at this point. Seriously? Congress can get around executive privileged if it is that sure that there is something there. It has been done before to Clinton in fact.

 

Damn, Jon Stewart wasn't on the home team with that clip . . my respect level went up a notch

 

you're right FnF was just about some small time drug dealers based out of an apt complex in Phoenix