Obama supporters list 3 accomplishments or positive things he has done

Funny how you keep on trumpting the LFPR. First of all, a lot of exogenous changes (due to sociocultural changes) affect the LFPR; that's why it's hardly used as a gauge of mapping out cyclical changes in the economy. The LFPR marches on its' own to a certain degree, and is more an indicator of structural changes outside the reach of any president.

Serious economists of the conservative Mankiw type prefer the employment: population ratio to make these attacks, because the LFPR goes anywhere and everywhere, and it's pulled by a hell of a lot of factors (hell, studies show even before 2008, the LFPR was sliding downwards anyways).

This is illustrated by the fact that the other low point for the LFPR in the last 30 years (if I were to cherry-pick) was in the early 1980s---you know, the Reagen Admin? But that LFPR was creeping up anyways (because of sociocultural acceptance of women working and etc.) from the 1950s onwards from a 58%-60% range to the modern highs of the high 60s.

Incidentally, Obama's misery index going into this election is about 10%, while Reagen's was about 11.5%, if you want to throw economic stats out of context like candy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:US_Labor_Participation_Rate_1948-2011.svg

 

Logic and reality are not a part of the FAUX world, it's all about the propaganda.

Again a reminder, enlightening the triplets is pointless other than giving you a reason to flesh out your views for your own clarity and entertainment. I'd suggest maybe not speaking directly to them in your posts but just post your point for the general audience.

 

Oh, I don't think I'll convince texxx of anything...ever.

But, at the very least, I hope someone out there can know just how bad this talking point is.

 

- Both my children will be covered by our health insurance until age 26, which I consider a big deal. My son is about to graduate with a computer engineering degree in December at age 21, and while I doubt that he'll have a problem getting a job, should he have that problem, he'll still be covered for a few years. Parents worry about things like that, believe it or not.

- 30,000,000+ Americans who had no health insurance prior to the passage of the PPACA will have coverage soon, provided by private health insurance plans and doctors of their own choosing. While not everyone will be covered, a flaw as far as I'm concerned, this is still a huge plus for the country. I know middle class families who can't afford health insurance for a family member due to pre-existing conditions, an abomination, in my opinion. Some are public school teachers whose husbands were laid off from their jobs after the Bush Economic Debacle, who simply can't make a monthly insurance payment of upwards of $1000 a month, or more, and constantly worry about a sudden illness that could bankrupt their family, cause them to lose their home, spend the money set aside for the college education of their children, and a host of other concerns. This is a great start towards our country catching up with the rest of the 1st World nations, who all have universal health coverage for their citizens. It is also what the people of the most powerful country on the planet should expect, and what the rest of the First World nations have insured that their citizens recieve.

- The President, as much as it irritates his opponents, did end our military involvement in The War That Should Never Have Happened in Iraq, a war started by the rogue President that preceded Mr. Obama, a war that needlessly killed and maimed hundreds of thousands, a war that was the first in our history fought while the party in power cut taxes, again and again, weakening our military and contributing a huge amount to our national debt. A war that weakened our efforts in the conflict we needed to be fighting in Afghanistan, increasing its length and cost in both human and monetary terms, and making more difficult the reason we are there, to bring justice to bear against those responsible for 9/11. As soon as President Obama took office, he dramatically increased cross border attacks into Pakistan, decimating the leadership of bin Laden's gang, and finally killing the man himself.

Those are three positive outcomes I can attribute to President Obama. I could have added many, many more, but the OP only asked for three.

 

Texx getting dumped on in this thread. Arguments are reduced to "X isn't good". See you in November brah.

 

...And as the baby boomers continue to retire, this number will keep going up.

Too bad Obama didn't add a fountain of youth into the healthcare plan so he could keep these folks from retiring. Obama has failed us.

 

There is one easy way to fix the problem of underemployment.

Increase taxes and the government can hire back about a million people or so that got laid off due to government spending cuts. Doing so would drop the UE rate far below 8%.

Private sector jobs is has already rebounded. It's only public sector jobs that are lagging ...due to spending cuts pushed by the GOP. Doh.

 

What the hell are you talking about?!?!? We don't need no more stinking teachers, firefighters and especially cops!

 

Gladiator, you can't argue with Mr. Dumb-as-a-Bag-of-Rocks. He's the type that would have hired a new manager for the Astros on August 1 of this year and fired him for not making the playoffs.

NOT BETTER!

 

I really want to learn more about this topic. Can you all please list 3 negatives as well.

 

Obama did no less than FOUR things that could be considered defining moments in almost any other presidency.

Saved the country from another Great Depression
Saved the auto industry
Killed Bin Laden
Got the U.S. out of Iraq

The man has too many success stories to run on. The GOP never stood a chance.

 

lots of excuses and more attempts to toss in what seem like big words to you (exogenous! great work son!). You cannot dismiss the fact that people are leaving the workforce in droves.

And if you want to play the unemployment game, that rate is a national disgrace currently.

So you lose either way.

 

He did one other thing of note.

Drive the right bat**** crazy.

 

For me, it's:

1. Passed ACA. It may have faults, but it's the start of something and if Congress will work on improving it instead of scheming ways to make it fail, it can be very good for our country.

2. Restraint in military intervention in the middle east -- resisting (so far) war with Iran, or getting involved in Syria, and drawing down in Iraq as promised, while finding a pretty elegant way to help knock out Qaddafi without undue American commitments, and being a friend to the Arab Spring (in some places, like finally realizing that we shouldn't be supporting Mubarak any longer) without getting too much into their business.

3. Bail-outs and stimulus. I'm not altogether happy that it seems we fed the fat cats the most, but something needed to be done. Another president might have taken us down an austerity road, and I'm glad he's resisted it and instead has spent money to try to get the economy going.

Maybe I'll do 3 disappointments after lunch.

 

you'll notice the employment: population ratio skips both the LFPR, and unemployment rate. If you even bothered to look, you'd notice I'm not exactly arguing against your point, but how you express it.

Or are those words and concepts "too big"?

In any case, employment: population tanks around 2008, and links it all back to what it really comes down to; the failure of relatively unconstrained free markets.

 

Again, people are leaving the workforce because they are retiring ...since we have the oldest workforce in our nation's history given the baby boomers. Obama can't make workers younger.

The % of the population at least age 65yo, as of 2010 census, has grown steadily every year since stats were kept in 1900. It is now nearly 14% and projected to go higher for the foreseeable future. Also, more importantly, that demographic grew at a faster rate than any other other group (>15% vs 9%).

That means long after Obama is gone, the % of eligible workers will likely keep decreasing regardless of the economy due to our aging population.

Sorry, brah. Stats suck, huh?

Not that you'll look but:
http://www.census.gov/prod/cen2010/briefs/c2010br-09.pdf

 

The excuses are endless. You guys are so quick to rationalize away the piss poor jobs situation we have in this country. As if 8% unemployment wasn't enough, neither was the 30+ year low in labor force participation rate....

instead, you come back with "people are retiring!" "LFPR fluctuates!"

where are the jobs? Have those retired as well?

 

Oh, there's a piss poor job market. But LFPR is not the way to measure it. And the cause of this piss poor job market is directly related to private market failures; if it wasn't for government intervention, the folly of Lehman et. al would have taken a huger chunk out of the American economy.

 

Finally you admit it.

You can't evade the truth, even despite your bias to fluff Obama

 

When are you going to admit the truth that Romney is losing?

Hum? HUM?????