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Obama Snubs Visit to Wounded Troops after Learning Media Couldn't Go

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by El_Conquistador, Jul 25, 2008.

  1. mc mark

    mc mark Member

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    And republicans could have picked a better candidate that wouldn’t get steamrolled by the next president of the United States!

    c'est la vie


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  2. Major

    Major Member

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    Except the CODEL ended a while back. Hagel, for example, is already back in Nebraska as of a day or two ago.

    Knowing basic facts tends to be helpful.
     
  3. El_Conquistador

    El_Conquistador King of the D&D, The Legend, #1 Ranking

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    You sir, are unaware of the facts. Obama had the choice as to whether to visit those wounded soldiers. He could have done so, there is no question about. He arranged his campaign tour according to photo opp's and speeches, and did not schedule time with the wounded troops. It was purely his choice and he chose wrong. What about that don't you understand?

    Vanity over country does not a President make.
     
  4. rocket3forlife2

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    For some reason, trader post make me pull for Obama even harder....I think I might even send him some money!
     
  5. BigBenito

    BigBenito Member

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    I think it is time for me to put TJ, Basso, and bigtexx on ignore. They bring absolutely nothing honest to the table. They are 100% partisan hacks.

    If they aren't lying, they are repeating someone's lies.
     
  6. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    from your post

     
  7. bucket

    bucket Member

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    Wow, T_J is a joke. What else is new?
     
  8. bnb

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    your mean
     
  9. ricky-retardo

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    http://www.politico.com/blogs/jonat...ama_camp_was_reminded_of_political_rules.html


    July 25, 2008
    Categories: Obama
    DoD spokesman says Obama camp was reminded of political rules

    [UPDATED]

    Chief Pentagon spokesman Geoff Morrell confirmed to Politico that Department of Defense officials cautioned Barack Obama's campaign that his planned visit to wounded American troops in Germany could not be political in nature and that he would be barred from bringing along campaign staff and reporters. He also said that Cindy McCain recently requested to visit sailors aboard the U.S.N.S. Comfort and was denied.

    "Sen. Obama is welcome to visit Landstuhl or any military hospital in his official capacity as a United States senator," Morrell said in a brief interview. "But there is a DoD policy which governs campaigning and electioneering at military facilities that would have to be respected if he were to visit. That distinction was relayed and made clear to campaign, and they made a decision on their own based on that guidance."

    Morrell, in a subsequent interview, added that military officials told Obama he could only visit the military facility with his Secret Service detail and Senate staff.

    "We made it clear to him that campaign staff and press would not be permitted to accompany him," Morrell said of Obama. "We relayed those ground rules. They made a choice based upon the information we relayed to them. It was their choice. We had nothing to do with it."

    Military personnel at Ramstein Air Force Base, where the senator was to fly into, had already made arrangements to accomodate Obama's travelling press pack and campaign staff while he visited the wounded troops, Morrell said.

    Obama's campaign tells a different story.

    Obama adviser David Axelrod told the Chicago Sun-Times that the Pentagon "viewed this as a campaign event and therefore they said he should not come."

    In a briefing to Obama's travelling press corps, another adviser stopped short of saying they were told to not come but also suggested that even a visit by Obama alone may have been at issue.

    Robert Gibbs said one of Obama's military advisers had been informed by the Pentagon that the visit may be seen as a campaign stop.

    "They cited a regulation," Gibbs said of their point of contact, described as legislative affairs in the office of the secretary.

    "We believed that based on the information we received that any presence, even his own and only his own, would get into a back and forth on whether his own presence was a campaign event," Gibbs said.

    Gibbs also pointed out that that their plane had been cleared to land at Ramstein and the Pentagon subsequently issued the reminder about political activity at military posts.

    Obama, who was not travelling with any Senate staffers, decided on the flight Wednesday from Tel Aviv to Berlin not to visit the hospital.

    Trying to make clear that this was not an attempt to undercut the Democratic nominee, Morrell also noted that when McCain officials asked the Pentagon for permission to let Cindy McCain visit the massive U.S. hospital ship, the U.S.N.S. Comfort, the request was rejected.

    "Had she gone with Sen. McCain, it would have been ok," Morrell said, underlining the delineation between what are official and campaign activities.


    By Jonathan Martin 10:33 AM
     
  10. SamFisher

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    not from among the sad sacks who came out for primary season.
     
  11. JuanValdez

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    Sounds like TJ was right on this one.
     
  12. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    right about not scheduling a visit, or not wanting to do a visit without a photo op? it seems to me unclear at the very least. I think twhy77 had the best question
     
  13. El_Conquistador

    El_Conquistador King of the D&D, The Legend, #1 Ranking

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    mcmark, Major and all the others. This proves The_Conquistador to be correct. And it leaves you tangled up in your underwear (assuming you haven't already thrown them at Barack) once again.

    Yet another argument won by The_Conquistador

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  14. mc mark

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    poor gorge
     
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    I'm Sorry! I'm Sorry........I'm Not Sorry!
     
  16. Rashmon

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    I know it was alluded to earlier, but I find T_J to be the funnniest poster on this forum.

    If you read his posts as a sort of Colbert Report/LHutz parody, they are hilarious.
     
  17. Mr.Scarface

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    The problem is Obama didnt have any Senate staff with him. So, the visit would be VERY Difficult. Also, there is a question if he could use his own campaign plane.
     
  18. El_Conquistador

    El_Conquistador King of the D&D, The Legend, #1 Ranking

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    All of that could have been addressed prior to leaving had he truly wanted to visit the wounded soldiers. Poor planning and even worse judgment. Photo opp's and media attention is not more important than our wounded patriots.
     
  19. GuerillaBlack

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    lol, Trader_Jorge and his epic crap. Week in and week out, never gets old:

    NBC's Andrea Mitchell explains how top military officials blocked Obama's trip to the troops in Germany.

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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YyXt2RsNShI&eurl
     
  20. mc mark

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