So people are now using Obama's non-attacks to claim that he's attacking and then using that as evidence that he isn't really about change. The charge and connections are laughable. I think we've pretty much cleared up that he wasn't calling any person a pig, but calling the politics and policies of those people pig by way of an analogy. So the extension that somehow it's still 'same ol' politics is just more bs. Again if this is the kind of stretch people have to make to try and make it appear if Obama is really just like everyone else, that speaks volumes about how much change Obama is actually bringing to this campaign. I've previously listed ways in which Obama has already brought change to the system, and I'm glad that it is continuing. Looking at the McCain ad, it is pretty obvious which of these candidates is truly more concerned with changing the tone of politics and DC. Biden was the perfect pick by Obama. Because he has the experience but is by no means a business as usual politician. He's been in DC for decades is almost at the bottom as far as networth. After being in DC for all those years Biden has a networth of something like $150,000. He takes the train home almost every night to spend it with his family. So Biden comes in having foreign policy experience, and knowledge of how things work, but he isn't like the other career DC politicians.
I was in complete agreement on this until I heard Biden come out with his "lipstick" joke. With that taken into consideration, I smell a dead rat in the Democratic rhetoric.
why am i not surprised the only cable channel to discuss this like it's breaking news is fox news. sean hannity and karl rove are licking their chops.
Would it be because Fox News is not in Obama's entourage as are NBC, MSNBC, ABC, CBS and to a lesser degree CNN? The media are quietly fanning a south wind hoping it will disperse before people begin to notice the smell. Had the roles been reversed with Hillary as the VP candidate, this would play very, very differently on this board and in the media. The howls of outrage would be never ending. So, my point to you is, it depends upon whose ox is gored.
to stupidity, yes. i have been rational in threads up and down this board, excuse me if I don't give a crap about being rational towards your republican homerism. you defend anything republican/palin, i've been a lot more rational than you over the last few weeks,
I mean I can't get a bigger LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL dude starts a stupid thread on a stupid remark on a non issue, but the onus is on us to be rational. get over yourself thumbs, seriously.
Okay. I give up. Tell each other how smart you are, and pat yourself on your respective backs. I'm leaving to get over myself.
you would be smart to stop trying to make something over an old cliche used a million times by a million people
So RICH, other than the lipstick line, was there anything about Obama's speech on education that you liked? I mean he did adopt a republican talking point about school vouchers.
It's not just Obama doing the attacking. This is going to backfire on them big time. Obama, Dems sharpen personal attacks on Palin By: Jim VandeHei and Mike Allen September 9, 2008 08:14 PM EST Barack Obama and his Democratic allies are intensifying their attacks on Sarah Palin, as her sustained and surprising central role in this race is upending Obama’s strategy and often overshadowing McCain. Democratic Congressman Russ Carnahan on Tuesday – introducing Joe Biden at a campaign event – ripped into Palin’s record and punctuated it with this snarky jab. “There’s no way you can dress up that record, even with a lot of lipstick,” he said. Later in the day, Obama used a variation of the lipstick line, though he was clearly talking about the McCain-Palin reform rhetoric. "You can put lipstick on a pig," he said. "It's still a pig." Former New York Mayor Ed Koch, as part of his endorsement of Obama, said Palin “scares the hell out of me.” And Obama hit Palin in nearly a dozen different press releases – one day after drawing laughs at a campaign stop by calling her a “moose shooter.” It isn’t just Democratic officials who are fixated on Palin. Media outlets on the left – from Talking Points Memo to Huffington Post – are loaded with hard-hitting stories about Palin. McCain often seems like he’s playing second fiddle. “On the stump, not a single word that comes out of her mouth – or not a single word that the McCain folks put in her mouth – is anything but a lie,” wrote TPM’s Josh Marshall. “I know that sounds like hyperbole. But just go down the list. None of them bear out.” The Obama campaign is calculating that it must reckon with Palin and the big public boost she has provided McCain in the past week. When Palin was first named, the Obama staff attacked, then he pulled back. Now, reflecting the threat posed by Palin, Obama is taking the unusual route of attacking the opposition’s No. 2, a job that would more typically be left to Biden, who focused more on McCain and President Bush. The new tone is not without risk for the Democratic ticket. It’s hard to take down an opponent without appearing overly or overtly partisan. It’s also unusual to appear so focused on your opponent’s running mate – and not the nominee himself. But it is very unusual, if not unprecedented, for a vice presidential pick to dominate a campaign in a sustained manner the way Palin has. And there is good reason to believe it won’t end anytime soon. Let’s start with the media’s obsession with her. She is a fascinating “first” for the media to dissect: a female Republican vice presidential nominee with celebrity appeal. She is only beginning a string of media interviews – and continues to draw crowds McCain never could. Expect a flood of coverage off her two day interview with ABC’s Charlie Gibson this week. The nonpartisan Pew Research Center’s Project for Excellence in Journalism found that between Sept. 1 and 7 Palin was a bigger presence in the news than McCain or Obama. She seems an even hotter topic online, with blogs, gossip sites and media sites exploding with Palin coverage – some of it pretty darn wacky. No topic is sparking more traffic or reader comment than Palin stories on Politico’s site this past week. As of Tuesday afternoon, 11 of the 12 most-read stories on Huffington Post were about Palin. The campaigns are obsessed with her, too. McCain extended his national tour with Palin in large part because of the massive attention she draws. A slew of new polls show McCain in the lead for the first time – and perhaps even more importantly, a swing away from Obama among white women. It is doubtful McCain’s convention speech is the reason he’s erasing the gender gap, at least temporarily. Obama wants to focus on the economy, and often does. But it is clear from his tone and a string of press releases Tuesday that the Democratic nominee feels he must reckon with the Palin surge. Obama at a Tuesday news conference in Riverside, Ohio: "There's no doubt that, you know, the Republicans are excited, particularly the right wing of the Republican Party is excited by Senator -- or Governor Palin's choice. I think that has less to do with gender than it has to do with her ideological predispositions which are closely aligned to theirs." The candidate and his campaign have pounced on Palin’s somewhat bogus claim that she opposed the famous “Bridge to Nowhere” spending project in an effort to discredit her. She initially voiced support for the project and later opposed it as governor as opposition to it grew. Stephanie Cutter, Michelle Obama's chief of staff, told MSNBC on Tuesday: "The more we learn about her, the more these facts don't add up. We now learn that she's the queen of pork in Alaska." The Obama campaign is carefully weighing its words – remembering well the backlash that followed his attacks on Hillary Clinton during the nomination fight. But it also knows it cannot sit back and allow Palin to define her political image. "When you change directions it's usually because of the polls. Obama is probably getting pressure from supporters and campaign strategists that he can't let her popularity go answered," said Susan MacManus, a political science professor at the University of South Florida. "Since people don't know so much about her they're using the opportunity to brand her and nick people's impressions of her." Presidential politics is littered with vice presidential selections, from Thomas Eagleton in 1972 to Dan Quayle in 1988, having a negative effect on a campaign. But Palin’s capacity to dominate both the debate and political discourse of the campaign, while also helping to boost McCain’s prospect in the past week, is unique. And to an extent, Palin will test an old political axiom: voters vote on the top of the ticket. Amie Parnes in Lebanon, Va., and David Paul Kuhn contributed to this report. http://dyn.politico.com/printstory.cfm?uuid=4946250C-18FE-70B2-A8C308295A73841F
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0908/Obama_Lipstick_on_a_pig.html UPDATE: The McCain campaign is now saying Obama called Palin a pig, which he didn't. The Obama campaign notes that "lipstick on a pig" is a fairly common idiom Obama often uses, as in a recent Washington Post interview.. McCain has also used the phrase. Though on a day when Obama's surrogates were joking that Palin's record can't be concealed with lipstick, it was hard for those following the campaign not to hear the echo. UPDATE: Obama aide Anita Dunn responds to the McCain campaign's claim that Obama compared Palin to a pig: Enough is enough. The McCain campaign’s attack tonight is a pathetic attempt to play the gender card about the use of a common analogy – the same analogy that Senator McCain himself used about Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton’s health care plan just last year. This phony lecture on gender sensitivity is the height of cynicism and lays bare the increasingly dishonorable campaign John McCain has chosen to run.
Palintology is happening....good, the truth is coming out. She is no different than Bush, and lies about her record. If she just told the truth none of this would be a problem. But paying yourself a per diem when you are living at home? LOL Lying about firing her chef, when she just reassigned her, but she continued to cook for her family. DD
How convenient. Talks about vouchers to please the Independents/Conservatives...meanwhile pissing off the Teachers Union. GREAT!
I think Obama is doing what he thinks is right, you are not going to please everyone with every policy.... DD
