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Obama regime planing back door amnesty plan for illegals...

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by OddsOn, Jul 30, 2010.

  1. Bandwagoner

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    I have no idea and frankly I don't care.

    I've shown you how a minor offense can result in a legitimate citizen being deported.

    Do you now see why cops shouldn't be turned into ICE officials?
     
  3. Bandwagoner

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    You lack a simple understanding of many things. See you hit the reply button and it quotes the message present at that time. So if I hit reply, then you editted the post, then I posted my reply, I don't quote your link.

    Secondly, a like I said before, a police officer is not taking a person from a traffic stop to a detention camp. The link showed a guy who did a year in jail.
     
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    ???? The guy in the video got taken in for tossing rocks and ended up getting deported for 10 years!

    Look, you want some example of a the exact scenario in order to be proven wrong, fine, that's you. But my point is that this law is going to result in more legal u.s. citizens being deported is backed by historical and current data, as well as researchers and immigration attorney's.

    If you want to believe what you want, great. But don't tell me that the law isn't going to result in more citizens being deported. I mean, are you serious?
     
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    My understanding of the law was that a regular AZ cop cannot deport but can charge and hold you as a suspected illegal alien. Once they do so they contact ICE and ICE are the ones that can deport you.

    This is one of the problems with the law and why it was partially struck down. Both Constitutionally and practically AZ cannot determine by itself who is here legally and who is not. They have to depend upon the Fed to determine that. AZ as every other state and local law enforcement agency, still and has always been able to hold someone for another crime and contact ICE to see if they are here illegally or not. They can also inform ICE of when they suspect someone is here illegally and have ICE come and handle them. The difference with the AZ law was that it would allow AZ officers to be frontline enforcement of Federal immigration laws rather than play an indirect role as they were before.
     
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    I didn't watch the video but read the article you posted and that sounds like a situation of ICE officials messing up which the AZ law would have no effect on. If the AZ law had been implemented AZ officers still wouldn't have had the authority to deport anyone. Detain them yes but not deport.
     
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    They have the power by identifying them as an illegal suspect upon which the burden of proof lies upon them and not ICE or anyone else.
     
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    They can call them a suspect but AZ alone can't determine that unilaterally. While the laws make the burden of proof on the immigrant in ICE custody the Federal government is the only one who can deport.
     
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    How on earth can a state decide if someone is a potential illegal when their proof of citizenship might exist in another state????

    The fact that someone even gets sent to a detention center is ridiculous. State shouldn't be enforcing federal laws that only feds can make a determination about. Especially when their is no attorney provided for by the gov't in these cases.

    If you get picked up by a state trooper and he just decides he doesn't like you, he can say you are a suspect of being an illegal. If you aren't in your home state, then you might be in big trouble. especially if you don't ahve the money to hire a lawyer. You might be deported and it has happened to hundreds of American citizens already this past year.

    All I am saying is this law will result in many more citizens being deported and that makes this law unacceptable.

    How do we tolerate legislation that ends the wrong deportation of citizens???
     

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