Obama: No Country for White Men

pgabriel · Apr 27, 2010

basso said:

as you said, it's the contrast, the shift in tone, that is interesting. this is a president who goes out of his way to demonize the opposition.
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LOL, I guess "palin around with terrorists"' isn't demonizing, because its true?

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Depressio · Apr 27, 2010

basso said:

as you said, it's the contrast, the shift in tone, that is interesting. this is a president who goes out of his way to demonize the opposition.
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Politicians all go out of their way to demonize the opposition. It's politics. The political climate right now is especially conducive to such tactics, as well.

I'll also note that I don't feel Obama was attacking the GOP/opposition as much before they began attacking him for ridiculous things (socialism, being from Kenya, etc.).

basso · Apr 27, 2010

pgabriel said:

LOL, I guess "palin around with terrorists"' isn't demonizing, because its true?

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correct.

basso · Apr 27, 2010

TSchmal said:

Politicians all go out of their way to demonize the opposition. It's politics. The political climate right now is especially conducive to such tactics, as well.

I'll also note that I don't feel Obama was attacking the GOP/opposition as much before they began attacking him for ridiculous things (socialism, being from Kenya, etc.).
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you did not listen to his inaugural address i take it, perhaps the most ungracious such speech in american history?

gifford1967 · Apr 27, 2010

George W. Bush
Speech - No Child Left Behind
Latino Business Association Luncheon - Los Angeles, California

September 2, 1999

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It is good to be with you - with men and women who are building the new economy of California.

We are witnessing a Latino economic miracle - un milagro economico. There are now 440,000 Latino businesses in Southern California. They generate $47 billion in sales each year. Latino businesses are the largest and fastest growing part of the small business community in this region. When half of the new businesses in Los Angeles are Latino-owned, this is no longer a niche market. It is the mainstream of our economic hopes.

This marks a new era - a permanent revolution - in California, and in many other places, including my state of Texas. An era in which the Latino market will demand the attention of our whole economy. An era in which our prosperity is as broad and diverse as our nation. This community has saved and worked and struggled. And now it has arrived.

The health of the Latino business community is reflected in the health and growth of this organization - the largest association of Latino entrepreneurs in the state. The Latin Business Association is doing well, and it is also doing good work by helping other entrepreneurs realize their dreams.

I am here with you today because you are leaders and because you embody the permanent hope, the durable dream, of this nation: to build a better life for ourselves and our children.

http://www.seanrobins.com/documents/bush george w/Bush_GW_1999_09_02.htm
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Why was Bush so divisive? What about asians? What about the african-american business community? What about women business leaders?

Depressio · Apr 27, 2010

basso said:

you did not listen to his inaugural address i take it, perhaps the most ungracious such speech in american history?
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Quote it, if you don't mind. I'd love to see him attack an opposition unprovoked in his inaugural address or see what you're referring to (and I don't mean that sarcastically -- I encourage differing viewpoints and having as much information as possible).

mc mark · Apr 27, 2010

basso said:

you did not listen to his inaugural address i take it, perhaps the most ungracious such speech in american history?
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Only to wacked out crazies that don't live in reality.

seriously, seek help

pgabriel · Apr 27, 2010

basso said:

correct.
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this is why no one takes your hero threads seriously.

its too beautiful a day down here in houston to be responding to this crap.

good day sir

basso · Apr 27, 2010

TSchmal said:

Quote it, if you don't mind. I'd love to see him attack an opposition unprovoked in his inaugural address or see what you're referring to (and I don't mean that sarcastically -- I encourage differing viewpoints and having as much information as possible).
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ithe whole thing, which was delivered as a not so oblique critique of his predecessor, who sat right behind him- much like his call out of the Supremes earlier this year.

FranchiseBlade · Apr 27, 2010

basso said:

ithe whole thing, which was delivered as a not so oblique critique of his predecessor, who sat right behind him- much like his call out of the Supremes earlier this year.
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You have no idea what you are talking about. As usual you're wrong and off base.

Do you ever wonder why even conservatives on the board don't take anything you say seriously?

rimrocker · Apr 27, 2010

basso said:

ithe whole thing, which was delivered as a not so oblique critique of his predecessor, who sat right behind him- much like his call out of the Supremes earlier this year.
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Your Bush love gets the better of you... We were (are) in a crisis and did (do) face challenges. Work needed (needs) to be done. The criticisms he makes are to the way of thinking about problems or adherence to ways that no longer make sense. I guess a Bush worshiper could say W is the face of those (but wouldn't it be admitting something you don't want to?) and so it was aimed at W, but I don't think that's the case. Every President, particularly when they're taking over from the other party talks about renewal and rejuvenation and change. You really need to just get over this.

Also, read the first paragraph...

Text of Obama's inaugural speech
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28751183/

My fellow citizens,

I stand here today humbled by the task before us, grateful for the trust you have bestowed, mindful of the sacrifices borne by our ancestors. I thank President Bush for his service to our nation, as well as the generosity and cooperation he has shown throughout this transition.

Forty-four Americans have now taken the presidential oath. The words have been spoken during rising tides of prosperity and the still waters of peace. Yet, every so often the oath is taken amidst gathering clouds and raging storms. At these moments, America has carried on not simply because of the skill or vision of those in high office, but because We the People have remained faithful to the ideals of our forbearers, and true to our founding documents.

So it has been. So it must be with this generation of Americans.

That we are in the midst of crisis is now well understood. Our nation is at war, against a far-reaching network of violence and hatred. Our economy is badly weakened, a consequence of greed and irresponsibility on the part of some, but also our collective failure to make hard choices and prepare the nation for a new age. Homes have been lost; jobs shed; businesses shuttered. Our health care is too costly; our schools fail too many; and each day brings further evidence that the ways we use energy strengthen our adversaries and threaten our planet.

These are the indicators of crisis, subject to data and statistics. Less measurable but no less profound is a sapping of confidence across our land — a nagging fear that America's decline is inevitable, and that the next generation must lower its sights.

Today I say to you that the challenges we face are real. They are serious and they are many. They will not be met easily or in a short span of time. But know this, America — they will be met.

On this day, we gather because we have chosen hope over fear, unity of purpose over conflict and discord.

On this day, we come to proclaim an end to the petty grievances and false promises, the recriminations and worn out dogmas, that for far too long have strangled our politics.

We remain a young nation, but in the words of Scripture, the time has come to set aside childish things. The time has come to reaffirm our enduring spirit; to choose our better history; to carry forward that precious gift, that noble idea, passed on from generation to generation: the God-given promise that all are equal, all are free, and all deserve a chance to pursue their full measure of happiness.

In reaffirming the greatness of our nation, we understand that greatness is never a given. It must be earned. Our journey has never been one of short-cuts or settling for less. It has not been the path for the faint-hearted — for those who prefer leisure over work, or seek only the pleasures of riches and fame. Rather, it has been the risk-takers, the doers, the makers of things — some celebrated but more often men and women obscure in their labor, who have carried us up the long, rugged path towards prosperity and freedom.

For us, they packed up their few worldly possessions and traveled across oceans in search of a new life.

For us, they toiled in sweatshops and settled the West; endured the lash of the whip and plowed the hard earth.

For us, they fought and died, in places like Concord and Gettysburg; Normandy and Khe Sahn.

Time and again these men and women struggled and sacrificed and worked till their hands were raw so that we might live a better life. They saw America as bigger than the sum of our individual ambitions; greater than all the differences of birth or wealth or faction.

This is the journey we continue today. We remain the most prosperous, powerful nation on Earth. Our workers are no less productive than when this crisis began. Our minds are no less inventive, our goods and services no less needed than they were last week or last month or last year. Our capacity remains undiminished. But our time of standing pat, of protecting narrow interests and putting off unpleasant decisions — that time has surely passed. Starting today, we must pick ourselves up, dust ourselves off, and begin again the work of remaking America.

For everywhere we look, there is work to be done. The state of the economy calls for action, bold and swift, and we will act — not only to create new jobs, but to lay a new foundation for growth. We will build the roads and bridges, the electric grids and digital lines that feed our commerce and bind us together. We will restore science to its rightful place, and wield technology's wonders to raise health care's quality and lower its cost. We will harness the sun and the winds and the soil to fuel our cars and run our factories. And we will transform our schools and colleges and universities to meet the demands of a new age. All this we can do. All this we will do.

Now, there are some who question the scale of our ambitions — who suggest that our system cannot tolerate too many big plans. Their memories are short. For they have forgotten what this country has already done; what free men and women can achieve when imagination is joined to common purpose, and necessity to courage.

What the cynics fail to understand is that the ground has shifted beneath them— that the stale political arguments that have consumed us for so long no longer apply. The question we ask today is not whether our government is too big or too small, but whether it works — whether it helps families find jobs at a decent wage, care they can afford, a retirement that is dignified. Where the answer is yes, we intend to move forward. Where the answer is no, programs will end. And those of us who manage the public's dollars will be held to account — to spend wisely, reform bad habits, and do our business in the light of day — because only then can we restore the vital trust between a people and their government.

Nor is the question before us whether the market is a force for good or ill. Its power to generate wealth and expand freedom is unmatched, but this crisis has reminded us that without a watchful eye, the market can spin out of control — and that a nation cannot prosper long when it favors only the prosperous. The success of our economy has always depended not just on the size of our Gross Domestic Product, but on the reach of our prosperity; on the ability to extend opportunity to every willing heart — not out of charity, but because it is the surest route to our common good.

As for our common defense, we reject as false the choice between our safety and our ideals. Our Founding Fathers, faced with perils we can scarcely imagine, drafted a charter to assure the rule of law and the rights of man, a charter expanded by the blood of generations. Those ideals still light the world, and we will not give them up for expedience's sake. And so to all other peoples and governments who are watching today, from the grandest capitals to the small village where my father was born: know that America is a friend of each nation and every man, woman, and child who seeks a future of peace and dignity, and we are ready to lead once more.

Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.

We are the keepers of this legacy. Guided by these principles once more, we can meet those new threats that demand even greater effort — even greater cooperation and understanding between nations. We will begin to responsibly leave Iraq to its people, and forge a hard-earned peace in Afghanistan. With old friends and former foes, we will work tirelessly to lessen the nuclear threat, and roll back the specter of a warming planet. We will not apologize for our way of life, nor will we waver in its defense, and for those who seek to advance their aims by inducing terror and slaughtering innocents, we say to you now that our spirit is stronger and cannot be broken; you cannot outlast us, and we will defeat you.

For we know that our patchwork heritage is a strength, not a weakness. We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus — and non-believers. We are shaped by every language and culture, drawn from every end of this Earth; and because we have tasted the bitter swill of civil war and segregation, and emerged from that dark chapter stronger and more united, we cannot help but believe that the old hatreds shall someday pass; that the lines of tribe shall soon dissolve; that as the world grows smaller, our common humanity shall reveal itself; and that America must play its role in ushering in a new era of peace.

To the Muslim world, we seek a new way forward, based on mutual interest and mutual respect. To those leaders around the globe who seek to sow conflict, or blame their society's ills on the West — know that your people will judge you on what you can build, not what you destroy. To those who cling to power through corruption and deceit and the silencing of dissent, know that you are on the wrong side of history; but that we will extend a hand if you are willing to unclench your fist.

To the people of poor nations, we pledge to work alongside you to make your farms flourish and let clean waters flow; to nourish starved bodies and feed hungry minds. And to those nations like ours that enjoy relative plenty, we say we can no longer afford indifference to suffering outside our borders; nor can we consume the world's resources without regard to effect. For the world has changed, and we must change with it.

As we consider the road that unfolds before us, we remember with humble gratitude those brave Americans who, at this very hour, patrol far-off deserts and distant mountains. They have something to tell us, just as the fallen heroes who lie in Arlington whisper through the ages. We honor them not only because they are guardians of our liberty, but because they embody the spirit of service; a willingness to find meaning in something greater than themselves. And yet, at this moment — a moment that will define a generation — it is precisely this spirit that must inhabit us all.

For as much as government can do and must do, it is ultimately the faith and determination of the American people upon which this nation relies. It is the kindness to take in a stranger when the levees break, the selflessness of workers who would rather cut their hours than see a friend lose their job which sees us through our darkest hours. It is the firefighter's courage to storm a stairway filled with smoke, but also a parent's willingness to nurture a child, that finally decides our fate.

Our challenges may be new. The instruments with which we meet them may be new. But those values upon which our success depends — honesty and hard work, courage and fair play, tolerance and curiosity, loyalty and patriotism — these things are old. These things are true. They have been the quiet force of progress throughout our history. What is demanded then is a return to these truths. What is required of us now is a new era of responsibility — a recognition, on the part of every American, that we have duties to ourselves, our nation, and the world, duties that we do not grudgingly accept but rather seize gladly, firm in the knowledge that there is nothing so satisfying to the spirit, so defining of our character, than giving our all to a difficult task.

This is the price and the promise of citizenship.

This is the source of our confidence— the knowledge that God calls on us to shape an uncertain destiny.

This is the meaning of our liberty and our creed — why men and women and children of every race and every faith can join in celebration across this magnificent mall, and why a man whose father less than sixty years ago might not have been served at a local restaurant can now stand before you to take a most sacred oath.

So let us mark this day with remembrance, of who we are and how far we have traveled. In the year of America's birth, in the coldest of months, a small band of patriots huddled by dying campfires on the shores of an icy river. The capital was abandoned. The enemy was advancing. The snow was stained with blood. At a moment when the outcome of our revolution was most in doubt, the father of our nation ordered these words be read to the people:

"Let it be told to the future world...that in the depth of winter, when nothing but hope and virtue could survive ... that the city and the country, alarmed at one common danger, came forth to meet [it]."

America. In the face of our common dangers, in this winter of our hardship, let us remember these timeless words. With hope and virtue, let us brave once more the icy currents, and endure what storms may come. Let it be said by our children's children that when we were tested we refused to let this journey end, that we did not turn back nor did we falter; and with eyes fixed on the horizon and God's grace upon us, we carried forth that great gift of freedom and delivered it safely to future generations.

Thank you. God bless you. And God bless the United States of America.
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SamFisher · Apr 27, 2010

basso said:

ithe whole thing, which was delivered as a not so oblique critique of his predecessor, who sat right behind him- much like his call out of the Supremes earlier this year.
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Well, even though this is a lie, if it were in fact not a lie, it would have been merited as he was following the man who was objectively the least popular, and subjectively among the very worst, president in American history - and will remain that way in the eyes of history.

kpsta · Apr 27, 2010

rimrocker said:

Your Bush love gets the better of you... We were (are) in a crisis and did (do) face challenges. Work needed (needs) to be done. The criticisms he makes are to the way of thinking about problems or adherence to ways that no longer make sense. I guess a Bush worshiper could say W is the face of those (but wouldn't it be admitting something you don't want to?) and so it was aimed at W, but I don't think that's the case. Every President, particularly when they're taking over from the other party talks about renewal and rejuvenation and change. You really need to just get over this.

Also, read the first paragraph...
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rimrocker,

You miss the real arrogance of the inaugural address if you just read the text... you should be watching the video... you know, the one where Obama was doing the "hand job" gesture every time he mentioned Bush's name... or back when he called out the Supreme Court and defecated on one of Clarence Thomas' best silk ties.

basso · Apr 27, 2010

SamFisher said:

Well, even though this is a lie, if it were in fact not a lie, it would have been merited as he was following the man who was objectively the least popular, and subjectively among the very worst, president in American history - and will remain that way in the eyes of history.
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well, subjectively i found a lot to object to in that speech.

mc mark · Apr 27, 2010

basso said:

well, subjectively i found a lot to object to in that speech.
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pft!

You had your mind made up before he opened his mouth.

dbigfeet · Apr 27, 2010

Basso, you should work for Faux News.

rimrocker · Apr 27, 2010

basso said:

James Taranto in the WSJ:

"Even as we speak, there are those who are preparing to divide us--the spin masters, the negative ad peddlers who embrace the politics of 'anything goes.' Well, I say to them tonight, there is not a liberal America and a conservative America--there is the United States of America. There is not a black America and a white America and Latino America and Asian America--there's the United States of America."--state senator Barack Obama, Democratic National Convention, July 27, 2004

"In the video message to his supporters, [President] Obama said his administration's success depends on the outcome of this fall's elections and warned that if Republicans regain control of Congress, they could 'undo all that we have accomplished.' 'This year, the stakes are higher than ever,' he said, according to a transcript of his remarks provided by Democratic officials. 'It will be up to each of you to make sure that young people, African Americans, Latinos and women who powered our victory in 2008 stand together once again. . . .' "--Washington Post, April 26, 2010

the president apparently missed the post-racial memo.
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From Drudge...

OBAMA PLAYS RACE CARD: RALLIES BLACKS, LATINOS FOR '10 UPSET
http://www.drudgereportarchives.com/data/2010/04/26/20100426_170402.htm
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to Limbaugh...

Rush: "Why does Obama not seek to reconnect with white people?"
http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/201004260018

We gotta reconnect young people, African-Americans, Latinos, and women for 2010 -- in a video put out by the DNC over the weekend. This is the regime at its racist best. What's the regime doing? Asking blacks and Latinos to join him in a fight. What is a campaign if not a fight? He's asking young people, African-Americans, Latinos, and women to reconnect. To fight who? Who's this fight against?

Civil rights violations in Arizona. We've got to make sure that the state of Arizona plays fair. Who is this fight against?

If I may say something to the leader of this regime, I mean this from the bottom of my heart. We've never had a president like this, who has purposely come to divide people. But he has, and he is. With that video, seeking to reconnect young people, African-Americans, Latinos, and other women for 2010. Against who?

Freedom has no color, Mr. President. Freedom has no race. Freedom is a human right granted by God. It is not to be parceled out by arrogant eggheads like you to people who you think are more deserving of freedom than others. Freedom ain't you.
http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/201004260024
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to Taranto...

to basso.

There are probably some intermediate steps in there somewhere... I would bet basso read it on some winger blog but linked to Taranto to seem more respectable... regardless, the origin of his anger is generally easily traceable.

basso · Apr 27, 2010

rimrocker said:

From Drudge...

to Limbaugh...

to Taranto...

to basso.

There are probably some intermediate steps in there somewhere... I would bet basso read it on some winger blog but linked to Taranto to seem more respectable... regardless, the origin of his anger is generally easily traceable.
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so, i include a link to where i saw it, but apparently it's not the "right" link? **** it, from now on i'm just going to link to your post- call it rimmy's rule.

rimrocker · Apr 27, 2010

basso said:

so, i include a link to where i saw it, but apparently it's not the "right" link? **** it, from now on i'm just going to link to your post- call it rimmy's rule.
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Taranto just offered the two quotes without comment. Drudge, Limbaugh and others put the racial component there... a component which you echoed in your OP.

geeimsobored · Apr 27, 2010

basso said:

James Taranto in the WSJ:

"Even as we speak, there are those who are preparing to divide us--the spin masters, the negative ad peddlers who embrace the politics of 'anything goes.' Well, I say to them tonight, there is not a liberal America and a conservative America--there is the United States of America. There is not a black America and a white America and Latino America and Asian America--there's the United States of America."--state senator Barack Obama, Democratic National Convention, July 27, 2004

"In the video message to his supporters, [President] Obama said his administration's success depends on the outcome of this fall's elections and warned that if Republicans regain control of Congress, they could 'undo all that we have accomplished.' 'This year, the stakes are higher than ever,' he said, according to a transcript of his remarks provided by Democratic officials. 'It will be up to each of you to make sure that young people, African Americans, Latinos and women who powered our victory in 2008 stand together once again. . . .' "--Washington Post, April 26, 2010

the president apparently missed the post-racial memo.
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