Obama: Mental Distress Can't Justify Late Abortion

How about Clean needles too . .. . I mean .. It would not be encouraging Heroin use. . .but if they gonna use. . . they should be safe. . .right???
[what's the difference?]

BESIDES!!!
How do we teach kids responsibility . . .i.e. the cost of things
If you cannot pay for your own condoms. . you should not be sexing!!1

Rocket River
Some rights DO HAVE responsibilities attached to it

 

See therein lies the issue
Reproductive Rights is considered a 'woman's issue'
[I know u said mostly]
but
By and Large. . . we treat it like Men have no say . . NO EMOTION involved in it

We talk as if men hear their kid has been killed. .and go have a party and celebrate
some may . . .
but alot of men are truly hurt by it . ..
and WE . . .as a society tell them . .. ***** YOU . . GET OVER IT YA P*SSY!!!
IMO
that ain't right

Rocket River

 

SO . . A Father. . who does not support his child. . i.e. protect/shelter/nourish a child . .. is a deadbet? IS that what I am hearing

So
What do you call a mother who does the same thing?
Well . .. What you describe is an abortion. . .a woman is saying this fetus
will not be protected/nourish/sheltered by me . . .. so that would make her a Deatbeat mom

So . . ..
QUESTION: Which number do you think is greater . .. the number of men who don't take care of their kids. . . . .or women who have abortions?

Rocket River
. . . count down to the rebuttal . ..well .well .. they would not have abortions if the guys didn't run . . blah blah blah

 

Thank you, RR.

 

It isn't the same thing. The guy does not get that choice because, IMO, largely it has been women who have been saddled with the kids and not been in a very good position economically to do it.

Oh...and before you spout off about the number of deadbeat dads, you might want to go sit in those courts like I have. Once I started seeing it everyday for a year and a half, it was a real eye opener.

There are entire court dedicated to child support enforcement. Go downtown and sit in the 4-D courts for a while. The number of guys doing nothing to support their kids is staggering.

 

Why are a father's rights and a child's fate abridged by what others have done before?

 

yeah just look at the billions that were diverted from people who owed child support on the rebate checks. It is a huge problem.

 

because that is the best way to set policy. repeat mistakes etc.

 

after listening to the DC handgun case I have no respect for the USSC on any technical issue.

This is a fetus at 2 months. Looks pretty human. I don't see a difference.

 

Read up on the clean injection room in Vancouver and all the good needle exchange programs do for addicts. If you would like to talk about that in a dedicated thread, I will be happy to post a LOT of data that shows that these types of facilities and programs do an enormous amount of good and do not encourage more drug use.

 

How does it compare to the number of women getting abortions?
I think we are about 800K a year

Deadbeats:
MOMS [abortion]: roughly 21 million
DADS: roughly 18 million

These are just quick and dirty searches on the sites below
One shows about 18 million dads not paying their support. . so I will
contend that means they had kids withing the last 18 years
I think
check the abortion stats for the last 18 years and added them up

Not saying one is better than the other
In fact . . in my mine they are about equal innot being good

Rocket River
http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/policy/abortion/ab-unitedstates.html <-- Cursory stats
http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/fb_induced_abortion.html
http://childsupport-aces.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=7&Itemid=30 <-- Cursory stats





http://www.deltabravo.net/custody/supportfacts.php <-- maybe Bias

 

I would be good to hear that
However. . .i don't think they do it in High Schools . .do they?

Rocket River

 

Of course not, but the number of high schoolers using needles to shoot drugs is not even remotely comparable to the number of high schoolers having sex.

 

To often mental illness is used as a crutch for immoral/illegal action and soceity, IMO, is getting tired of it!

 

Who cares what Obama thinks about abortion, the debate is in the judicial not executive branch. Why the man would say the word "abortion" is beyond me. Look up this thread, it a lose lose issue.

 

The real question is whether the USSC had such nifty graphics and technology at their disposal in 1973 when Roe was decided. I bet they didn't. They used the best information they had available at the time when deciding the legal issue.

 

You do know that you don't need the technology to see what a fetus looks like right? Do you really think there were not pictures available from autopsy and abortions? I could have posted one but figured someone might have been eating.

 

Maybe...maybe not. Do you really not know that the entire medical community speaks of pregnancies in terms of trimesters? If you were to bother to read Roe (410 U.S. 113) and its progeny, you would see that the Court discusses pregnancies in terms of trimesters. Do you really think that was a coincidence? No...they were mimicing the medical community. Judges realize that they are not doctors, so they try to follow the distictions that doctors use.

In the first trimester, there is zero chance of the fetus surviving outside of the mother, so the state's interest is very low. As the pregnancy goes on, there is more chance of viability so there is more state interest in the life of the fetus. The greater the state interst, the greater regulation is allowable by the state.

I'm not going to even go into a discussion of the penumbra of rights analysis, because it would be voluminous.

I believe that the Court rested its decision on the medical community's definitions regarding pregnancy, along with the basic notion regarding terminating something that has human features. I could be wrong (since it was not written), but that is my thought.

 

I have a solution that is employed by Latin America and former communist E. Europe.

Anal Sex.