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Obama Legacy

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Air Langhi, Jun 26, 2015.

  1. sammy

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    Obama has turned out to be a great president just like Clinton was. You know what sucked tho? Those 8 years with dub ya who got put into office by geniuses like texx. *snicker*
     
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  2. rocketsjudoka

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    My own feeling is that Obama is a historic president because of his background and for getting health care passed besides those two I would still put him in the good but not great category.

    While Obergefell V. Hodges will go down as one of the most historic decisions of the USSC like Brown V. Board of Education. I don't give Obama that much credit for it. Obama was a late comer to the issue and this case wasn't one that his Admin. played a central role in. The DOMA case had more to do with the Admin. and there it was a matter of not defending it.
     
  3. durvasa

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    What were his comments which you claim helped justify senseless violence?

    Are you referring to when he was asked to comment on the incident in a press conference, because it was already attracting a large amount of attention in the media?

    [rquoter]
    Barack Obama made his first public remarks on the killing of Trayvon Martin, saying that the Florida teenager's death was a "tragedy" that needed to be fully investigated.

    In a personal message delivered from the White House, the US president likened Trayvon Martin to his own children, and said: "If I had a son, he would look like Trayvon".

    Obama vowed that authorities would look into "every aspect" of the shooting of the unarmed 17-year-old by neighbourhood watchman George Zimmerman, and called on federal, state and local authorities to work together as part of the investigation.

    Martin was killed on February 26 in circumstances that have yet to be fully explained. Although Zimmerman admits he killed the teenager, he says it was in self-defence, citing Florida's controversial "stand your ground" law that allows the use of lethal force in certain circumstances. Zimmerman has not been arrested, sparking growing anger that has spread beyond Florida.

    "Obviously this is a tragedy. I can only imagine what these parents are going through," he said from the White House Rose Garden.

    "When I think about this boy, I think about my own kids, and I think every parent in America should be able to understand why it is absolutely imperative that we investigate every aspect of this."

    Obama said that all of America had some "soul searching" to do over the incident, adding: "If I had a son he would look like Trayvon and I think they [his parents] are right to expect that all of us as Americans are going to take this with the seriousness it deserves."

    Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney later joined the president in calling for a "thorough investigation". He added that a full inquiry was needed so that "justice is carried out with impartiality and integrity".[/rquoter]

    I see nothing divisive in any of that. What is there to oppose? He said it was a tragedy (which no one denied), he was empathizing with the parents of this kid who was needlessly shot dead, and that a full investigation was needed (obviously). It was appropriate. And, it should be noted, he was asked to comment by the press -- it wasn't part of an agenda to incite anger.

    I guess your problem is that you consider black people who were emotionally affected by this incident to be an ideological enemy of sorts, and so you are angered when Obama was reaching out to them. But they are not the enemy. To be sure, there are some criminal, irresponsible people among them who chose to retaliate, but they didn't need Obama expressing sadness (not hostility) over what had happened as an excuse to do this.
     
  4. rocketsjudoka

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    I certainly don't think Obama has encouraged violence on race but he hasn't been the transformational figure that many thought he would be. Other than being the first black president I don't think race relations are much different than under the previous white president.
     
  5. SF3isBack!!

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    I just don't remember any president having a better week than Barrack Obama did this week, at least not for a very long time. The U.S. is starting to look like the place we thought it would be when Obama was running. Listen, we are all having a conversation on race now and things that used to be ignored are no longer being ignored. People can no longer deny that we have deep rooted racist problems and I've seen a heavy response from the white community to combat it. Things are changing and change takes time. You can say you hate the ACA and it definitely has its issues but you can fix those issues and perfect the law. Decades from now, Obama will be known as the president who brought us health care and I think that's a great legacy.
     
  6. bigtexxx

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    would NYPD officers Liu and Ramos' families agree with your statement?
     
  7. Space Ghost

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    In the last five years, how many confederate flags have you seen displayed on a flag pole in person?
     
  8. Space Ghost

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    Granted I have the memory of a goldfish, but I dont recall the constant racial issues in the past. Racial issues have gradually improved over the least few decades, but it seems in the last couple years, there is a constant racial story on the news....with Obama always weighing in.
     
  9. FranchiseBlade

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    I would guess they would. I think their families believe in personal responsibility and don't pass the buck and blame to someone else like you do.
     
  10. SF3isBack!!

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    So you think there was less racism because it wasn't reported? lol And you're blaming the President? Because people are racist? Where in the hell is Clutchfans getting these people..
     
  11. Mr.Scarface

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    Racial issues are being confronted....not hidden. The problems with police has been a problem for decades.....Sunshine is the best disinfectant. America is having to confront it long, simmering racial issues. The hate for Obama has just exposed what conservatives were happy to hide: Their ranks are full of bigots.

    Are racial issues better.....than in the 70s, 80s, 90s? Sure. However, Don't be fool that they don't exist anymore. You think the immigration debate is about those Canadians here illegally? No, it is about those brown-skinned people from Latin America.
     
  12. Dubious

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    Dude, you responding to a troll. Don't bother.
    He gets off on the humiliation. It's really kinda twisted.
     
  13. thumbs

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    He will be remembered like Jimmy Carter -- an embarrassing episode in American politics.
     
  14. Commodore

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    One meaningful piece of legislation passed, and on a pure partisan vote.

    Everything else was done by executive/judicial decree, which is terrifying considering its impact. Prior major policy changes have always been achieved through broad legislative consensus.

    Thousands of legislative seats lost for his party.
     
  15. FranchiseBlade

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    Carter was pretty good in retrospect. Obama hasn't been my favorite because of a lot of the crap he's pulled with the NSA wiretapping, smacking down whistleblowers, etc. But his accomplishments are plentiful. The first real change in health care which has turned out to be a definite improvement over what we had before being the biggest. But his pro civil rights agenda with regards to gay marriage and couples will also be seen as an accomplishment. He's had pretty amazing job growth and pulled the economy back from the precipice.

    He won't be an embarrassment but he may not be one of the greats either.
     
  16. Bobbythegreat

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    You have one single significant piece of legislation, killing Bin Laden, the rise of ISIS, the trading of Taliban commanders for a traitor, the most divisive atmosphere in the country in decades, and more widespread Russian aggression than we've seen in quite a long time.

    Am I missing anything?
     
  17. Mr.Scarface

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    The Repubs/Conservatives has always hated Obama. So Obama could be the greatest thing since Slice Bread, yet, you would say he is ruining a perfect good loaf of bread.
     
  18. Bobbythegreat

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    If you feel what I said was unfair, feel free to actually answer the question.
     
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    Most of Obama's "accomplishments" require an asterisk. For example, earlier someone cited job growth as one of his triumphs. However, after 6.5 years of Obama we are still below are barely above the level when he took office. The asterisk is needed because, once a worker dropped out of the work force for six months, he or she was no longer counted. Also, most of the job "growth" came from part-time jobs and jobs taken by persons with qualifications far superior to the work station accepted.

    The market has grown, but the economics are skewed. There are more poor people than ever before, and the rich have gotten much, much richer under Obama. Most Democrats, except maybe Bernie Sanders, blind themselves to Obama's constant elbow rubbing with the very, very wealthy. He and Hillary/Bill are just alike in that sense.

    The list goes on and on, but I've leave you with just those two examples.
     
  20. FranchiseBlade

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    Job Growth isn't measured any differently under Obama than it was before. The job growth in the private sector under Obama is definitely an accomplishment. It would be even more so if the govt. was actually hiring more like they were in the past.
     

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