Obama is in big trouble in Michigan - Bradley + Kilpatrick + Primary Gaffe

WTF? I was responding to a race invoked post in the first place. That elitist, "You're not smart enough to vote for yourself -- so I'M just gonna educate you" crap is precisely what irked me. Couple that with his both direct and indirect implications that Pennsylvanians are essentially uneducated and incapable of voting intelligently then you have the source of my objections.

You're gonna have a tough time trying to convince me race is an issue in an election that Obama is favored to win, will win and has enormous, unheard of popularity and grass roots appeal. I guess this election would be a done deal if it wasn't for those stupid, naive racist Americans everywhere trying to hamstring Obama because of his race, right?

Again, liberal vs. conservate: both have sensitive issues that Americans are uncomfortable dealing with or discussing. Between racism and sexism who is to say which is more important, prevalent or -- in a manner or speaking -- debilitating? For every out-of-touch American saying "I won't vote for Obama because he's HALF black" there's one saying "I won't vote for a ticket with a lady that should be at home baking brownies". There's really no winning these type of discussions but to pretend one is more important than another is pointless.

 

You realize there are numerous people out there - about 10% of Democrats in OH and PA, for example - admitted in exit polls that race was the primary reason they voted for Hillary in over Obama in the primaries, right? Are you saying these people lied about being racist?

 

If Gore were running, he would have over 60%......race is the only thing keeping this thing close.

DD

 

I don't know about 60%, but the lead would be larger.

 

Economic, domestic, and foreign policy screw-ups of epic proportions have a way of dampening racism.

 

Race is absolutely an issue. It ALWAYS is an issue. ...as is gender.

It conciously and unconsiously affects every nuance of your life that involves other people. I can prove it to you. Give me a specific example of something you did yesterday where other people were involved. I'll very clearly describe to you that race impacted that situation in some way.

Now, that said. It doesn't mean that race is the predominant issue or even a determining issue. But you CANNOT say that race is no issue at all ...because race is always a factor in everything you do. So you are fooling yourself when you say race plays no role in this election. Once again, the mere fact that we are having this discussion is proof.

Note: Race and culture are two different things but often are virtually 100% functionally inseperable. You can't really talk about one without the other so don't turn this into a semantics game.

 

I love that here we have the carcass of Trader_Jorge, and we should be doing a little jig around it in celebration, but the liberals of course fall to arguing with one another.

 

I'd much prefer engage in a legitimate argument based on substance with liberal posters than give any attention to the trio of idiots for the nonsense they post.

 

I love how T_J has completely avoided this thread like the coward he is, but he's still stumbling around the thread with debunked Obama/Ayers lies.

 

(sing song) I know. Me too.
Just thought it was funny.

 

We could also heap it on... maybe dig up some quotes about women turning away from Obama juxtaposed with polling showing women flocking to Obama. Or white collar types... I'm just too lazy to do so.

 

Aren't there also folks voting for Obama because he is black? Of all those not voting for Obama because of race, wouldn't most of them be liberal democrats? I suspect many republicans aren't voting for him because his platform doesn't agree with theirs.

 

What, you're doubting what he saw it for himself in Pennsyvainya? He doesnt want govt spending all their time and money on the war in I-rock either.


This is the first time i can remember ever where I'm starting to feel mildly embarrassed for a campaign. Even considering the Reagan landslide victory, Dan Quayle and Howard Dean attempts. Its not even like the McCain camp is being overly provoked into their choice of strategies. If a casual onlooker like me can see that McCain's way grasping at straws then I wonder how those on the inside think? And I admire(d) McCain a great deal. I guess I'm growing up and seeing admiration doesnt necessarily equal presidential material.

 

I doubt it. Gore is boring and doesn't excite young people like Obama does.

 

Agreed. I think the republicans would have a better shot of beating Gore rather than Obama at this point.

 

But it would have been curious to see how a Gore/Clinton/Obama primary would have played out.

 

Well who knows, it depends on which Gore is running. The Y2K Gore was boring. The post Y2K Gore was a firebrand.

doesn't matter though, BO is going to win and that's a good thing.

 

Not really. Gore plays the statesman role OK but he is stale bread as a Dem candidate and knows it.

 

Well, I'm not saying he'd win, but he'd certainly take votes from both Hillry and Obama. I'll think about it tonight, but I wonder if Hillary would have been able to win, or if it would have meant a blowout victory for Obama.

Side note: I'm of the belief that the long primary helped the Democratic party. 1) Infrastructure in place for this election and the future, 2) Obama had the mud thrown at him at a much earlier time, dulling McCain's attacks, 3) raised interest in the democratic party/registration. (for months it was democratic headlines and only periodic tidbits about repubs.)

 

He would not have been a strong candidate. Gore is a smart guy and knows that the minute he got back in the fighting arena, his detractors would bury him with the loser label for blowing the 2000 election. John Edwards took "some votes" and he was out of it in a hurry. I don't think Gore would have affected the outcome at all. In fact, I bet the scenario would have played out just like it did (assuming Hillary's tears on the eve before NH still happened).