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Obama is in big trouble in Michigan - Bradley + Kilpatrick + Primary Gaffe

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by El_Conquistador, Sep 6, 2008.

  1. JuanValdez

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    It seems to me the news that he's pulling out of Michigan is bad for his campaign, generally. It makes him look weak and near defeat. Why did he let his strategy hit the papers?
     
  2. Major

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    When you close up your offices and relocate staffers, I don't think it's easy to hide.
     
  3. Mulder

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    24 + Hours and no Jorge posts in D&D... BIG POOF.

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  4. IROC it

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    I see what you did there.
     
  5. baller4life315

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    Yeah, I don't understand it either. There are plenty of states Obama won't win that you don't hear him "conceding" the first week of fricken October.

    I guess this is the risk McCain took in choosing Palin over Romney. For all the good Palin has done to energize the Republican base, Romney would have been the best VP candidate suitable for dealing with the current economic crisis. That, and he would have delivered Michigan.
     
  6. DonnyMost

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    Just a dab'll do ya..

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  7. Major

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    I don't know how big a deal it is. According to this, the McCain field people and volunteers don't do anything anyway:

    http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/10/on-road-st-louis-county-missouri.html

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    We walk into McCain offices to find them closed, empty, one person, two people, sometimes three people making calls. Many times one person is calling while the other small clutch of volunteers are chatting amongst themselves. In one state, McCain’s state field director sat in one of these offices and, sotto voce, complained to us that only one man was making calls while the others were talking to each other about how much they didn't like Obama, which was true. But the field director made no effort to change this. This was the state field director.

    Only for the first time the other day did we see a McCain organizer make a single phone call. So we've now seen that once. The McCain organizers seem to operate as maître Ds. Let me escort you to your phone, sir. Pick any one of this sea of empty chairs. I'll be sitting over here if you need any assistance.

    Given a choice between taking embarrassing photos of empty phone banks, we give McCain’s people the chance to pose for photos to show us the action for what they continually claim we “just missed.” No more. We stop into offices at all open hours of the day, but generally more in the afternoon and evening. “Call time,” for both campaigns, is all day, but the time when folks over 65 are generally targeted begins in late afternoon and goes til 8 or 9pm. Universally, McCain’s people stop earlier. Even when we show up at 6:15pm, we’re told we just missed the big phone bank, or to come back in 30 minutes. If we show up an hour later, we “just missed it” again.

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    You could take every McCain volunteer we’ve seen doing actual work in the entire trip, over six states, and it would add up to the same as Obama’s single Thornton, CO office. Or his single Durango, CO office. These ground campaigns bear no relationship to each other.

     
  8. mc mark

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    Wow. That's just sad.
     
  10. baller4life315

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    Yeah, that doesn't surprise me. Palin is about the only thing exciting about McCain's campaign. Everything else is just the typical politics that people have obviously soured on. Enter Obama with his "change" and "hope" themed campaign. That is type of stuff that will excite people and compel them to volunteer, go door-to-door, etc.
     
  11. Zboy

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    Richard Trumka might be playing a part in it. He is fiery! Obama should let him lose in all the battleground states.

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  12. baller4life315

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    Wow, so Pennsylvania is a racist state and anybody that opposes this guy's views are merely "right wing race haters". Got it. :rolleyes:
     
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    If the volunteers aren't doing anything, then it doesn't matter much that he is pulling out.

    The Republican National Committee outspends McCain on commercials anyway. Until the RNC pulls out of Michigan, he will still be promoted heavily in a swing state.
     
  14. Major

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    Umm, did you actually listen to the speech? You'd have to be pretty stupid to take that away from it.
     
  15. Major

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    This was unfairly harsh on my part - sorry! But the whole point of the video is that there ARE racists out there, and those union guys have met them. And they are LEFT-WING racists - his whole point was that they were Democrats, people that otherwise were just like the people he was talking to. And that it's up to all of them to stand up to that crap. He wasn't talking to America - he was talking to fellow union members about rooting out racism from their own ranks. It had nothing to do with ring-wing race haters.
     
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    I don't want to hear this. The race card is so overblown I don't even know where to start. Sure, there ARE racists out there still --- with some people there is no getting through to. But honestly, with Obama's overwhelming popularity how can you actually still argue he's victim of some kind of prejudice? Both sides have their own overblown sob stories (race vs. sexism). Both will have no bearing on the outcome of this election.

    I, for one, don't appreciate the people of Pennsylvania being portrayed as uneducated and archaic. Whether it's by Obama with his "bitter" comments or this type of elitist crap. I don't appreciate it. What would you think if this had been about Texas and Texans were the ones being depicted as uneducated and out-of-touch?
     
  17. rimrocker

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    I don't think Obama has to worry about it too much... people hate the Republican Party...

     
  18. DonnyMost

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    That's a load of crape.

    Denying that race would not be a factor for the first black man to ever be nominated for President is to stick ones head so far in the sand you'd be looking at the footprints of chinese people.

    (same goes for a woman, or asian, or transgender, or person with a frickin' horn growing out of their head... and it was true whenever Al Smith was the first Catholic to run for Prez)

    I'd think they'd be pretty right at this point, and the numbers back it up. Texas isn't exactly the smartest state at the moment.
     
  19. B-Bob

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    I suppose this will just become another museum piece to a by-gone era.

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    Free admission to the ancient conquistador exhibit on Tuesdays.
     
  20. krosfyah

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    ...if you beleive that, I've got some swamp land for sale.

    The very fact that you have to try to make your point by saying the race card is overblown ...is in itself proof positive that race is an important factor. If it wasn't important, it wouldn't be worth mentioning ...yet you did.
     

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