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Obama in Houston - Feb 19th

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by CometsWin, Feb 16, 2008.

  1. ROCKET RICH NYC

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    Yes it does. I thought he said $40K college credit but upon reading the transcript it was $4K.
     
  2. MadMax

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    I voted for Obama today, actually. This morning. Unless something drastically changes, I will vote for him in November. I'll answer a handful of your questions...the ones that speak to me most. And chime some others in.

    I've voted for those who are pro-life in the past...it's never changed. It's an issue to keep voters interested. It's great for turning out a group of voters...but that's it. I'm far more concerned now with alleviating the conditions and culture that make people disregard life than I am overturning Roe v. Wade.

    Gay marriage is a red herring to me. I know gay people who struggle to follow Jesus the way I struggle with it. I'm tired of the war against culture by those who label themselves as conservative christians...I think the church is far better off when it's not married to either political party and is about creating counter-culture where people and life are valued over the bottom line.

    I'm offended by how much was bought and sold by banks and mortgage companies in the Bush administration....most importantly the changes to the bankruptcy code. This from someone who represents banks, among other entities.

    I feel we need a new direction with regard to foreign policy. Shoot first and ask questions later doesn't seem to be working. On 9/12/01, the entire world was there to support the US. We killed all that in just about a year.

    I am deeply concerned with global poverty. Deeply concerned. I believe every human being is created in the image of God...and that makes the sufferings of poverty very difficult for me to tolerate. We spend more on cosmetics in this country each year than it takes to provide clean water for people around the globe. I'm not ok with that.

    I'm pretty sure my position on gun control is similar to his....mine might even be more liberal.

    I'm in favor of decreasing dependence on oil, period.

    I think Obama has symbolic significance that is more important than his detractors wish to admit. I think this is particularly so when you consider how little policy a candidate runs on ever actually comes about.

    It would be very difficult for me to vote Republican after the Bush administration. If you could resurrect Jack Kemp, I'd listen.
     
  3. Nolen

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    That was just a great post.

    MadMax, do you know that I invoked your great attitude in posting in the D&D as a metaphor for Obama's style of governance? MadMax for president! :)
     
  4. OldManBernie

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    Uhh... 4000 * 16000000 = 64000000000 = 64 Billion Dollars
     
  5. Codman

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    That's awesome to have Obama in Htown. I'm excited for the DNC here in Denver.
     
  6. gifford1967

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    Really nice post Max.
     
  7. MadMax

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    thanks.

    no, i didn't know that...thank you.
     
  8. Desert_Rocket

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    Very nice post MadMax. I always find it odd that christians always tend to vote republican. Christians are the ones who are supposed to look at everyone as equals, and are supposed to help those who need it most. Typically the Democrats are the ones who want to help the "little" people. Those in poverty, thos without healthcare, those on disability, etc... I don't understand why more "christian" people don't see that.
     
  9. Hippieloser

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    They'd maybe get more credit if they hadn't done such a piss poor job of it for the last couple decades.

    Nice post, Max.
     
  10. MR. MEOWGI

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    Why don't you ask Obama to sell his $1.65 million dollar home to feed people who are staving to death?
     
  11. ico4498

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    doubt that every college student will make use of this loan. certainly not the ones who; have full scholarships, deep pocket parents, work full time and are strapped fer time, etc ...

    effective cost of this program must also be considered against the real value of the repayment labor.
     
  12. Another Brother

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    Wow.

    Great post Max...it's seems we are taking the flagrant fouls from the losing team in stride. Way to run the point.
     
  13. TreeRollins

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    Or we can just cut manned spaceflight and use that money to feed people.
     
  14. insane man

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    yes how can someone with a nice home care about poverty. :rolleyes:
     
  15. MR. MEOWGI

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    That money would have saved lives. Obama is a killer.
     
  16. insane man

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    thats cute.
     
  17. halfbreed

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    You know, I think Obama would be a an amazing Head of State. He's very inspirational and he does, in fact, represent the hope in all Americans have as to how great this nation can be.

    I think he'd be a disaster as a Head of Government. Is there a single problem he doesn't think the government can fix? I'm not talking about comparing him with other candidates right now (just because McCain could also be a disaster doesn't make Obama any more attractive).

    As far as the why don't Christians vote Democrat question, I believe most Christians do believe that we should help out our fellow human beings. However, in my opinion, most Christians believe that should be a choice made on the individual level and not a government mandated decision. Also, correct me if I'm wrong (always a possibility), but I believe it's been shown in various studies that those who refer to their political beliefs as "conservative" actually donate more to such causes than those who identify themselves as "liberal."
     
  18. MR. MEOWGI

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    Yes. I find living in a $1.65 million dollar home while people starve to be very "inspiring".
     
  19. insane man

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    have you ever lived outside of texas? a million dollar home is pretty normal upper middle class.
     
  20. MR. MEOWGI

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    Whatever. How many people could have lived instead of died with that money?
     

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