Obama helped organize Farrakhan's Million Man March

I'm jewish and I have no problem with Obama helping to support the march. I disagree with many things that Farrakhan has said in the past. However, the intent of the march was much bigger than that.

 

I thought it was supposed to be a day of positivity...

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NSFW

 

nevermind... me thinking another break is in order.
or sticking to the much less political threads.
it's reached a crescendo of repetition and entrenchment,
... in APRIL.

 

He started dropping in the PA polls last week *before* the comments occurred. This was simply because he had a huge bounce after the Hillary sniper fire stuff - those things always overreact and then correct themselves. There's nothing to suggest that he took a hit from the "bitter" story.

As for Hillary - she's not holding back, in case you haven't noticed. A silly comment in April will be long forgotten in November, when there will be an election between two candidates with very real platform differences for people to focus on. These kinds of things are only magnified now because there's not much difference on the issues.

The tracking polls bounced right back after about a 4-5 day hit from the Wright story, and they didn't even move a tiny bit from the bitterness story. Obama's at his all time highs in both the Gallup and Rasmussen tracking polls. There's nothing to suggest any of these stories is having any sort of significant impact.

 

and bill clinton spoke this same march....so what point are you trying to make?

 

bill clinton and the million man march


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvOqQRBXlW8

 

Oh, HO Oh, HO HO looks like you made the point for them.


CHORTLE

 

What that McCain voted against
look at his true record..now that he is the gop nominee he now loves mlk on camera?

 

Bottom line, basso: You and a number of other posters on here - liberal and conservative - have been pushing the limits of what is ok. Many of you go right up to the line because you know it is insulting and frustrating to others, but not so much that it will get you banned.

Personally, I'm tired of the reported posts to moderators and I'm more tired of the genuine lack of disrespect shown to people who have differing viewpoints.

Like I said, everyone should be on notice if they want to keep their posting privileges.

 

i can only say that I have never reported a single post, although there are certainly many directed my way, and elsewhere, that could be called provacative. That anyone could find my characterization of a racist, homophobic, anti-semite offensive, and report it, is, quite frankly, rather pathetic.

and, i would add, i have ample disrespect for most posters in the D&D.

 

basso - are you saying that Jeff is pathetic because he said an element of your posts were unacceptable? That doesn't seem like a good idea.

 

i dont think i'm going to vote for obama, but you make me want to.

 

Hi basso.

(segue to violin soundtrack)

Tis I. I think I have reported 3, or 4, posts in my years here, and I did that one. Perhaps a mistake, and I am very confident that you find me and/or the reporting "pathetic."

I did not want you banned, certainly. That's the truth. But I merely asked how posting things like "brotha," when there is no need for it, is any different from, say, Shaq imitating the speech patterns of Yao.

I have tried to call people directly, over and over, on stuff like "brotha" when rhetoric serves no purpose but to inflame and agitate. Perhaps I am sometimes guilty of the same. Like my McCain breath joke yesterday.

Your "disrespect" joke is kind of the point, though. I like to think I come here because I do respect the community, for the most part. I'm especially interested in hearing from people who disagree with me, if it's respectful and sincere. weslinder and refman and madmax and others come to mind (sorry to name drop). And I enjoy the entertainment of some, like my good buddies T_J and bigtexxx. But I think you disrespect, judging by your posts, a lot of the board. So I don't understand the point of that; it honestly bugs me. I should not single you out, as there are others from different political angles.

The things like race baiting and sino-baiting seem to come from a really really angry place. And there is plenty of anger on both sides -- I know that and of course have seen it and contributed to it for GWB. I've often contributed that in a non-productive way. Probably what we have in common is that the anger comes from a real love of the country and really wanting what's best for it. I do believe that.

Anyway, I feel mostly bad for bugging Jeff and the mods. After one new thread I'm about to start, I'm sincerely going to leave posting in D&D until August 1. (even if you reply to this with arguably appropriate vitriol and questions, just take my silence as what I promised: self-imposed and consistent) I've been getting incredibly irritated by the dogpiling of a candidate I do support, and the disrespectful manner in which people refer to that support. I've made my points, more or less, over the last several weeks.

Cheers, all.

 

Bob- i've never had a problem (as opposed to disagreement with) anything you've posted, and if i did, well, that's what the ignore list is for. i do find the "dogpiling" comment highly ironic, given the past 7 years of vilest, most hateful sort of vitriol spewed by d&d denizens in the direction of W and those who have the temerity to defend him.

perhaps when a bit of respect comes our way, we'll be glad to give it back.

 

basso, W's supporters have on many occasions accused his detractors of wanting America to lose, hoping the terrorists win, helping the terrorists, etc. I would think someone with your expressed abhorrence of terrorists would understand that these insults are worse than anything that W's detractors have ever called his supporters.

You are not exempt from that kind of vitriol. People may have different ideas on the best ways to combat terrorism and to defeat it, but nobody is rooting for the terrorists, or Saddam or that our troops die. Until people are able to argue the differences instead of making those kinds of insulting accusations, you don't have much room to act hurt and hope to get pitty.

 

Great, just what we need -- one of our best, most level headed D & D posters leaving for several months.

Would Hakeem have left mid-season because the Rockets were committing too many fouls or would he have stayed and led the team to glory with his virtuous ways?

 

who's acting hurt? i'm baffled- different emotion entirely.

 

ok, yet the result is the same.

 

The "Million Man March" was an African-American thing, not a "Nation of Islam" thing, although Farrakhan (as one of the leading Black activists at the time) spearheaded efforts to organize it. In the end, it was a transcendent event for all African-Americans in this country, not just Black Muslims. So to try and marginalize it as some sort of radical Black Muslim event is not only disingenuous but reflective of your deep hatred and phobia of any display of unity and 'brotherhood' in the Black community. Your Blackophobia is rather amusing to say the least.

I may be in the minority here, but I STILL say that America is not ready for a Black leader of any walk of life. The only good Black leader is a dead one...