No. I am suggesting this has done nothing to remove any strain between the two nations. How could it? There is no nation that says 'all we really wanted was an apology'. This is just posturing. What standard? Making false assumptions about another poster is not debate or discussion . It lacks any sort of argument. Stop pretending like you know me. I called Obama a POS for not taking the time to talk to Netanyahu because he needed to do Jimmy Kimmell. You said I claimed 'his whole diplomatic approach to Israel is worthless'. What post are you referring to? It seems to me you fail to present an argument. Again. Not democracies except Cyprus. Not sure I would call Cyprus in the middle East. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_in_the_Middle_East It's not, but it definitely helps.
Yeah! what this guy said!! Because we all know that Noble Peace Prize was historic and reaaalllyy went a long long way It made a total difference and was a complete game changer /Sarcasm: signed by thousands of innocent children who's blood is on Obama's hands and the ramping up of us being even bigger policemen of the world
You might want to tell Turkey that. Washington Post: Israel, Turkey agree to restore full diplomatic ties after apology over Gaza flotilla deaths So, how about this? Is this, finally, a significant diplomatic accomplishment? I'm curious to see just how much of a minority opinion you're willing to take. The contradiction in your argument is self-evident in the quote of yours that I posted. If "talking to a troubled ally's leader is important," than what happened here (productive talks with the leaders of two troubled allies) must be important. Well, you've failed to provide any other explanation for your contradictions, so I'm forced to guess. Of course, the validity of a theory depends on its predictive power, so I'll make a prediction: I predict that in your next post, you'll explain to us how the restoration of diplomatic ties between two critical US allies in the Middle East is not important. You've said that everything he's done in regards to Israel has been meaningless. Regardless of which posts you actually used vulgar language in, that's been your whole argument, has it not? I feel confident that anyone who reads this thread will conclude otherwise.
USA is not even democracy. Isreal is the only other country that is happy to kill foreign people in clean suits with high tech weapon. that's the reason.
Presidential Republic. We are not a direct democracy. Its rare to have direct democracies at a national level though. You might see them at the local level in town hall meetings but that's about it.
Bingo. We are not a democracy like Greece. We are a republic, like Rome. Hence..."...and to the republic for which it stands..."
...one nation under gods: Zeus, Apollo, Ares, Dionysus, Hades, Hephaestus, Hermes, Poseidon, Aphrodite, Artemis, Athena, Demeter, Hera, and Hestia -- indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. _____ The unedited pledge that contains the Greek Gods we worship -- so we are in fact a Greek democracy.
This is actually a big deal, and something that obviously came out of Obama's visit. I saw the speech, having turned on cable news just before it started, and it was very, very good. The reception stunned me a little bit. When he was heckled, they shouted the guy down. Too much. I think this trip will go down as an Obama foreign policy triumph.
If a repub president pulled this off I would say well done and congrat him, but the conservatives are still trying to find anything to blast Obama's visit... minds so closed can never be opened.
I see you've decided to ignore the rest of my post, but I won't resort to that tactic myself. I'm willing to concede this point: you did, in fact, write that meeting with Bibi was a meaningful action by Obama, and I missed that statement by you. My post contained some other direct questions to you. Would you please address those? In particular, do you think that the restoration of diplomatic ties between two critical US allies in the Middle East, which resulted directly from Obama's actions, represents a significant achievement on Obama's part? If not, why not?
OH you will concede the point? how noble of you. You aren't conceding a point as the topic is not an opinion. How about, admit I never said 'all of Obama's diplomacy regarding Israel are meaningless' ? I am Turkey and I demand apologies because they are so relevant........ No. I would call it meaningless for the reasons already stated. Also does Obama's actions = Obama's speech ?
Obama is all about making himself look good, he never puts himself in a vulnerable position. He made sure his staff told everyone that this trip would not be about accomplishing anything. Putting out the expectations before they develop so he doesn't look bad when nothing is really done. Then he gets something minor done so he's seen in a positive light. This guy is way too concerned about his legacy at this point.
Obama gives a speech about how politicians like him don't have courage unless pressed by the public. Some college students clap and Netanyahu and the uncontested folks in total power shrug and keep building settlements and increasing Apartheid. Same ol Same old.
