Its pretty ironic who he called a piece of **** in that scenario. THE FRIGGIN PEOPEL OF ISRAEL were calling Netanayhu on his d******d tactics making demands of the U.S and this guy has the nerve to pretend he is a patriotic American. GTFO seriously.
Oh I see Obama was upset with Netanyahu so he ignored him. How adult. MY position is easily defensible. Nobody has mentioned how the speech or award are significant. They aren't.
No he should have had a twitter war. Not sure if you understand how diplomacy works. As the president of the United States, the most powerful country on the face of the earth, we don't get told what we "Need" to do in a caustic demeanor like Netanayhu did. Obama did what any U.S president probably would have done: -We are with you but do you really think you are in a position to order us around? -I'll sit back and wait for you to come back when you come to your sense after you realize that you are in no position to order us around.
tallanvor, a penny for your thoughts? CNN: "Obama gets diplomatic coup before heading to refugee-flooded Jordan" http://edition.cnn.com/2013/03/22/world/meast/mideast-obama-trip/index.html?hpt=hp_t1
He met with him in freaking Israel. He ALSO gave a speech. You seem to have trouble following reality. Right, Netanyahu flew to the US to have a phone meeting with Obama. You're a gigantic hypocrite. Welcome to the ignore list.
Benjamin Netanyahu apologized to Turkey for a 2010 commando raid that killed nine activists on a Turkish vessel in a Gaza-bound flotilla. The apology, long sought by Turkish Prime Minister Recep Erdogan, eased strained feelings between Turkey and Israel, two vital U.S. allies in the Middle East.
Yes I know. That's why I used the word 'isn't'. Meeting with Bibi wasn't meaningless, the speech was. What is confusing you? wait what? what does Bibi flying to the US have to do with anything? What's your question? Is your assumption that Israel did this because of Obama's speech? Maybe it was the medal?
I'm not assuming anything. Lots of people are saying that Obama made this happen. My question is whether you agree that this represents a major diplomatic accomplishment by President Obama. Here's CNN (video): http://edition.cnn.com/video/?hpt=hp_t1#/video/world/2013/03/22/watson-obama-in-mideast.cnn Also Politico: http://www.politico.com/politico44/...ama-israel-and-turkey-talk-160010.html?hp=l11 Here's Fox News: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...illa-raid-in-phone-call-with/?test=latestnews
No. but even if it was, your CNN article says this I (as did others) claimed the speech and medal were meaningless (thus not historic). So what does the speech have to do with this?
Thank you for the direct answer, but please elaborate. Why do you not agree that repairing relations between Turkey and Israel is a major diplomatic accomplishment by President Obama? It seems pretty important to me. And even Fox News agrees. You've also used some indelicate language in reference to the President on the grounds that his whole diplomatic approach to Israel is worthless. Frankly, whether this happened because of Obama's speech, or because of his conversations with Netanyahu, is uninteresting to me and seems irrelevant to the larger point. It seems that in the same trip he's both emboldened political moderates in Israel and convinced the Prime Minister to reconcile with Turkey. I'd say that qualifies as a very successful trip and an shining example of American diplomacy. I'm curious as to why you disagree.
Two politicians doing some posturing doesn't mean much to me. Let's say Turkey's government disapproved of Israel's existence; Do you think this changed anything? IF Israel was skeptical of Turkey's involvement in some attack on their country (I am not referring to anything particular); do you think this changed anything? Usually a diplomatic accomplishment is something on paper (some sort of treaty or agreement), but even those can be meaningless. Not saying I haven't, but what are you referring to?
Yeah, America is distance from Israel - just look what Ehud Barak - the Israeli DM says about Obama: <object width="640" height="360"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/26xy6Gbb3XY?version=3&hl=en_US&rel=0"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/26xy6Gbb3XY?version=3&hl=en_US&rel=0" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" width="640" height="360" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true"></embed></object>
So your objection is that under a hypothetical set of circumstances contrary to reality, this wouldn't be a significant achievement? Ok, and if a frog had wings... By the way, how exactly does your position that this milestone conversation between two prime ministers, in which Netanyahu fixed Turkey's main complaint against Israel, not qualify as "important" under the following standard, established by tallanvor (2013)? Moving along: And I'm sure if Obama had gotten that, you'd be here telling us it was meaningless. Off the top of my head, "POS", for one. tallanvor, it seems to me that (as others have suggested), you define "accomplishment" retroactively as "that which Obama hasn't done." Why do you think this is?
Since when is democracy a prerequisite to being an ally of the US? What a comical notion. To think that America does/must support Israel because it is democratic is ample proof that you are one of those brainwashed morons who believes the US is out to spread/protect democracy. A quick survey of US foreign policy decisions will show you that the they do not give a damn about the internal political system of a country, so long as the end result gives them the most influence in the country. Do some research on Iran, Indonesia and Venezuela for hard, concrete evidence of that. The US will fund, support and arm dictators if it is helpful to American government interests - which as you are well aware, does not always intersect with what's best for Americans. The US would absolutely support a non-democratic Israel, ell else being constant. I can't believe you are over 18 years old and still believe America is out to spread and protect democracy.
Richer, whiter, slightly more gender-equitable and more "Christian" than most of the middle east? Also they're probably one of the handful of countries over there who would buy weapons from us and not necessarily use them against us. I don't know if it's more complex than that.
