so you are playing the race card? what we're saying is the comparison to katrina is stupid, on several fronts. I never said what kanye said was okay, although its pretty much standard that everyone feels bush butchered katrina, for whatever reason. edit: btw, everyone agrees that the first factor in butchering katrina was putting incompetent people in place a general criticism of his adminstration.
This is aside from Katrina, but there is evidence to show that Bush doesn't care about black people. Just look who he appointed to head the Justice Department's Civil Rights division. http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?t=160817&highlight=Kind+Politics Looking at that it's hard to believe Bush really cares.
I'm sure certain people living in Germany from 1939-1945 wouldn't be as baffled, nor would a lot of Japanese living in the US at that time.
everyone? actually no, many of us feel that the government did a stellar job, and rescued 30k people from the rooftops. the problems in NOLA had more to do with the corrupt and dysfunctional local political culture. in mississippi during the same storm, and in florida during several other storms, the system worked much, much better. note, there are plenty of lack people in both of those states.
They wouldn't be baffled if detention centers were being built. They would have been baffled if people believed that folks thought evacuee shelters were being thought of as internment camps. Luckily we don't live in Nazi Germany or the U.S. during WWII. Again there is zero evidence that any of the shelters will be used as internment camps. It's hilarious that folks would come to that conclusion with nothing as evidence.
Anyone who feels the govt. did a stellar job hasn't looked at the facts. That is evident that you trotting out the myth that 30K were rescued from rooftops. I'd also like to point out that among the many of you who believe the govt. did a stellar job Brown himself is missing. He thought it was rife with mistakes. FEMA didn't allow the red cross in promptly held the Navy ship with supplies off the coast wasting time until they got the order they needed. FEMA also turned away aid from other states and cities. That's aid that could have helped sooner. They didn't take the threat seriously enough to begin with. FEMA also called off the search and rescue just 3 days after the storm That you can look at all of that and disagree with the former head of FEMA, and the Congressional study all of which found great fault with FEMA and claim they did a stellar job shows you have a misguided idea of what success is, or that you misunderstand the term all together.
the point was to compare kentucky, lousiana, new orleans. the source is the same, cenus, therefore the standard is the same, so it doesn't matter what the standard is, just the number. thanks for pointing it out, but its neither here nor there in the point I was making.
I'm not sure if you see where I am quoting but I was talking about the 4,600 out of 130K from the blog you posted. He said its not a bad thing because only 12% of the people left in NO were on Temporary Assistance for Needy Families. But this is only one faction of welfare available. Plus the national average is like 1.6%
first of all, again, we're not talking about the national average, we're talking about kentucky, new orleans and louisiana. secondly, the 4600 isn't out of 130K, its out of the entire population of new orleans in 04. read it again, he makes a point to say new orleans had 130K black residents.
This guy makes no sense. Reading it again I think he is a bad source of info. He says conflicting stuff. And you just now said residents, not households. So with all that cleared up ( ) I just want to return to my point that all of these numbers (whatever they mean) is only for the Temporary Assistance for Needy Families
no, you're missing the point, he's making the same point I made. Follow the debate. Trader_Jorge brought up the same right wing point that a bunch of poor blacks in NO complained about the government, because that's what they do, because they rely on government. He said the white people in Kentucky don't do that. I, not know how many times I've heard that Kentucky is one of the poorest states in the union, new that they had just as many people on welfare as louisiana. its just common sense. I posted the comparison between the states, trader criticized that he was talking about new orleans, that's the source I had for the new orleans number. that blog is making the same point, not as many black people on welfare in new orleans as you were probably led to think after katrina. so the writer says 4600 out of total population. even if you only took the black people in new orleans, its a small percentage of people on welfare, let alone the entire population.
I am not accusing you of twisting numbers or anything like that. I am just showing there is the same number being connected with THREE different groups.
thanks for the background and I will again make my two comments of that is only the most extreme type of welfare (this counters the "its a small percentage remark") it is much more than the national average (which you did not bring up in your previous posts as you have explained, but I am bringing it up to counter the blog post)
Okay without getting too carried away, these detention centers can house at least 10 million people collectively. What is the govt. expecting (and what did they expect back in the late 70's when this was introduced) that would need this many centers? Furthermore, I don't think the idea is to force anyone to go to these camps, Nazi Germany style. However, economic failure and civil unrest could very well be in our near future so it seems a bit contrived that this FEMA legislation came out in the first week of Obama's administration. It would be easy for FEMA to say, "We're helping the poor and incarcerating the social dissidents", when in fact there may well be a hidden agenda behind the camps. As far as my evidence, there is almost never smoking gun evidence behind these theories, because the sources the average person has access to is intentionally suppressed. However, I believe the fact that Halliburton got the bid to build these camps is a serious red flag, do you disagree?
